2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Forum rules
Please read the forum rules
Asphalt_World
Posts: 4994
Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 6:08 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Asphalt_World »

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I'm happy, if you can't infer that from the above.
Instagram @simply_italian_cars

mikeyg123
Posts: 17880
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by mikeyg123 »

Norris is so unlucky this season.

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3734
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by F1_Ernie »

Ferrari played a blinder then, sacrificed one car to get the win.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

User avatar
Jezza13
Posts: 2397
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 10:02 am
Location: Far side of Koozebane

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Jezza13 »

That is the most deserved win in quite a while.

Justice
Only took 7 yrs, 5 mths & 21 days.

Cooper, Arrows, Brabham, Ligier, Lotus, Tyrrell, Minardi, McLaren, Sauber, Williams,

Remember the garagista's. The heart & soul of F1. They raced to race.

2017 WCC CPTTC - Jalopy Racing (Herb & Me)

cmberry20
Posts: 269
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:06 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by cmberry20 »

I wonder if someone didn't lift through the yellow flag zone.

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3062
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Invade »

Mercedes had the better race car and so locking out the front row ended up being extremely important for Ferrari.

User avatar
bourbon19
Posts: 2220
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:31 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by bourbon19 »

Congrats Ferrari and Charles! Big Thanks To Sebastian, without whom it would not have been possible!

User avatar
Flash2k11
Posts: 2932
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:06 pm
Location: England
Contact:

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Flash2k11 »

A fortunate yellow flag there at the end. Congratulations to Leclerc, felt like fate this weekend after what's gone on. Still not sure what Ferrari are playing at with strategy, but its looking more and more like Vettel is finished at the Red team.

Gutted for Norris at the end, McLaren will be hurting from this. Renault must have been at the peace pipe when they cooked up Ricciardo's strategy, that was never, ever going to come off.
2018 Pick 10 Champion

User avatar
mcdo
Posts: 10289
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:33 pm
Location: Ireland

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by mcdo »

What a bonkers finish! Everything from 5th downwards just went topsy turvy

Well done Charles, it has been coming for a while now
I don't rely entirely on God
ImageImage
I rely on Prost

User avatar
mcdo
Posts: 10289
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:33 pm
Location: Ireland

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by mcdo »

cmberry20 wrote:I wonder if someone didn't lift through the yellow flag zone.
The timing tower on the left seemed to show Albon overtaking Perez, then giving the place back, then overtaking Perez again before the finish. I'm only guessing because their names swapped a few times
I don't rely entirely on God
ImageImage
I rely on Prost

Option or Prime
Posts: 1931
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:50 am
Location: UK

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Option or Prime »

I really don't think Leclerc won because Ferrari sacrificed Vettel, Leclerc won because he fastest all weekend! close at the end though.

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3062
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Invade »

Another solid, strong and entertaining race, I'd say.

Formula 1 has been in a real good spot over the last 5 or so races.

Paolo_Lasardi
Posts: 2578
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Paolo_Lasardi »

Giovinazzi throwing it away all by himself.

Norris bad luck - again!

Leclerc fantastic.

Albon strong fighter.

kleefton
Posts: 4010
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:14 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by kleefton »

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Still think Kvyat is looking better than Albon. Albon started a position ahead of Kvyat. Kvyat started 19th and Albon was still behind 38 laps into the race. Both are good, but still find Kvyat is impressing me more. A recovery from 19th to 8th in a toro Rosso is really impressive.
Albon is a rookie though driving the Redbull for the first time. He showed some very good race craft in the second stint and in fact was lapping only a few tenths from the Mercedes at the end. He got stuck in the DRS train at the beginning and couldn't make any progress but all and all I think it was a promising drive from him. As he gets used to the car he will get better. Already a massive improvement over Gasly imo. I was quite impressed by his drive actually.

TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 2837
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

i bet that the fact that Noris is DOTD are from votes of pity just because of the retirement. It really should have been Leclerc He was really solid, but that is how good that McLaren is IMO. He was pretty much totally unchallenged by anyone the whole race.

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Invade wrote:Mercedes had the better race car and so locking out the front row ended up being extremely important for Ferrari.
Not really because Hamilton got by Vettel at the start but then Vettel just breezed past on the straight.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

JN23
Posts: 2427
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by JN23 »

Well done Leclerc on his first win. Much deserved, he was the faster Ferrari all weekend.

Mercedes probably won't be too disappointed with a double podium considering Ferrari were quicker here.

I think Ferrari jumped the gun a bit too quickly when pitting Vettel and that cost them.

A good first outing at Red Bull for Albon, he should be pleased with himself.

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3062
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Invade »

I expect a similar race at Monza with a Ferrari front row lockout and Merc with the race pace advantage with a tight race to the finish.

BeOnEdge
Posts: 124
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:53 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by BeOnEdge »

Well done Leclerc, you really did deserve that one.

Good solid race today. Hats off to Albon for bringing it home in 5th, I wonder what Max could have achieved if it wasn't for the blunder going into turn 1.

Absolutely gutted for Norris.
Alfa Romeo Racing

PF1 Autosport GP 2017: 3rd Place

JN23
Posts: 2427
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by JN23 »

Invade wrote:I expect a similar race at Monza with a Ferrari front row lockout and Merc with the race pace advantage with a tight race to the finish.
:thumbup: look forward to it.

TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 2837
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

kleefton wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Still think Kvyat is looking better than Albon. Albon started a position ahead of Kvyat. Kvyat started 19th and Albon was still behind 38 laps into the race. Both are good, but still find Kvyat is impressing me more. A recovery from 19th to 8th in a toro Rosso is really impressive.
Albon is a rookie though driving the Redbull for the first time. He showed some very good race craft in the second stint and in fact was lapping only a few tenths from the Mercedes at the end. He got stuck in the DRS train at the beginning and couldn't make any progress but all and all I think it was a promising drive from him. As he gets used to the car he will get better. Already a massive improvement over Gasly imo. I was quite impressed by his drive actually.
Yes, I was also impressed too. But he also got a black and white flag which you hardly ever see. My point was that I thought Kvyat was more impressive given the car he was in and the fact he started behind.

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Great win for Charles and for Ferrari. :thumbup:
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

User avatar
Jezza13
Posts: 2397
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 10:02 am
Location: Far side of Koozebane

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Jezza13 »

TheGiantHogweed wrote:i bet that the fact that Noris is DOTD are from votes of pity just because of the retirement. It really should have been Leclerc He was really solid, but that is how good that McLaren is IMO. He was pretty much totally unchallenged by anyone the whole race.
Sometimes I think the DOTD award is just a popularity contest similar to the fan boost in FE.
Only took 7 yrs, 5 mths & 21 days.

Cooper, Arrows, Brabham, Ligier, Lotus, Tyrrell, Minardi, McLaren, Sauber, Williams,

Remember the garagista's. The heart & soul of F1. They raced to race.

2017 WCC CPTTC - Jalopy Racing (Herb & Me)

User avatar
Blake
Posts: 6819
Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:12 pm
Location: Nebraska, USA
Contact:

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Blake »

Finally.
May we have many more French/Italian anthems on the podium.

Congrats to Leclerc and Ferrari.
Last edited by Blake on Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Forza Ferrari
WCCs = 16
WDCs = 15

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

JN23 wrote:Well done Leclerc on his first win. Much deserved, he was the faster Ferrari all weekend.

Mercedes probably won't be too disappointed with a double podium considering Ferrari were quicker here.

I think Ferrari jumped the gun a bit too quickly when pitting Vettel and that cost them.

A good first outing at Red Bull for Albon, he should be pleased with himself.
They had to pit Vettel to protect him from the undercut but alas it was to no avail anyway.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

ReservoirDog
Posts: 1899
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:31 am

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by ReservoirDog »

Alex Albon driver of the day by far. Really showed how much better he is than Gasly. And that overtake on Perez. Luvleeee

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Blake wrote:Finally.
May we have many more French/Italian anthems on the podium.

Congrats to Leclerc and Ferrari.
It was French and not the Monaco one?
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

Asphalt_World
Posts: 4994
Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 6:08 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Asphalt_World »

Blake wrote:Finally.
May we have many more French/Italian anthems on the podium.

Congrats to Leclerc and Ferrari.
French?
Instagram @simply_italian_cars

User avatar
Blake
Posts: 6819
Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:12 pm
Location: Nebraska, USA
Contact:

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Blake »

pokerman wrote:
Blake wrote:Finally.
May we have many more French/Italian anthems on the podium.

Congrats to Leclerc and Ferrari.
It was French and not the Monaco one?
You got me on that one, poker. I perhaps don't know the difference?
Forza Ferrari
WCCs = 16
WDCs = 15

User avatar
Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 1070
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 am
Location: India

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Mercedes-Benz »

First lap incident was horrible. Those SC laps definitely helped Ferrari and obviously removed another threat with Max crashing out.

Vettel had a very mediocre race with locking up after too much but keeping Hamilton behind and cooperating with the team of not holding Charles for couple more laps probably was the best thing he did this weekend for Ferrari . Sadly Kimi race was over after the first lap but midfield was very good.
Last edited by Mercedes-Benz on Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sir Stirling Moss "Quite frankly, Kimi Raikkonen is the fastest driver in the world"

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
They kind of covered that by cancelling both F2 races.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

User avatar
Blake
Posts: 6819
Joined: Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:12 pm
Location: Nebraska, USA
Contact:

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Blake »

Whichever anthem it was, may we see more of that combo!
Forza Ferrari
WCCs = 16
WDCs = 15

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Blake wrote:Whichever anthem it was, may we see more of that combo!
Well the odds are good for the next race. :)
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3062
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Invade »

ReservoirDog wrote:Alex Albon driver of the day by far. Really showed how much better he is than Gasly. And that overtake on Perez. Luvleeee
Albon has some serious racecraft, no question. Let's see what sort of raw pace he has in the remaining races against Maximum Verstappenen.

Option or Prime
Posts: 1931
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:50 am
Location: UK

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Option or Prime »

Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Blake wrote:Finally.
May we have many more French/Italian anthems on the podium.

Congrats to Leclerc and Ferrari.
It was French and not the Monaco one?
You got me on that one, poker. I perhaps don't know the difference?


Last edited by Option or Prime on Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

sandman1347 wrote:I don't like to see drivers lose their lives but I hope this doesn't generate some knee-jerk neutering of Eau Rouge or Raidillon
Indeed. :thumbup:
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

trento wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
In terms of safety, the FIA have to ensure that all is a good as it can be at the circuit.

As for the emotional reasons for racing or not, I would find it hard to believe there's a single racing driver who would want a race meeting to be cancelled on the back of their untimely death. Therefore, FIA safety checks permitting, the rest of the weekend should all go ahead, F3 and F2 included.

Just my opinion.
Any thoughts on gravel traps? The car would then not come back on track?
There use to be a gravel trap there but that caused it's own problems.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

kleefton
Posts: 4010
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:14 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by kleefton »

Invade wrote:
ReservoirDog wrote:Alex Albon driver of the day by far. Really showed how much better he is than Gasly. And that overtake on Perez. Luvleeee
Albon has some serious racecraft, no question. Let's see what sort of raw pace he has in the remaining races against Maximum Verstappenen.
I agree. Not sure if they showed it on the main feed but Perez tried to give him the position at La source so he could get him back on the run to the hill but Albon didn't bite and waited and that was the difference. There were also some very good lunges on different drivers, pretty Ricciardoesque actually. I am starting to understand why he was picked over Kvyat.

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Invade wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

I keep forgetting - Verstappen's meant to be a great driver, isn't he ?

.

He's only human so let's not crucify the chap.
I think that's just a reaction to how Hamilton's mistakes have been jumped on when comparing him with Verstappen?
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

pokerman
Posts: 35358
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: 2019 Belgium Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by pokerman »

Asphalt_World wrote:I think that was another case of Max being a little impatient and trying to win points at T1, lap 1. He's too good for this kind of thing.
Yeah I think he was trying to make up for his bad start?
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)

Locked