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So tomorrow can we witness Leclerc's first F1 win?
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It's an awkward pole to be on and I think Leclerc is more likely to not win. I still expect Mercedes to be slightly stronger in the race and Vettel should be in with a real shot in the early goings.

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Going to be interesting at the start, being just behind the leader is the best position to be here out of T1. I also noticed Leclerc was bottom of the top 4 in speed trap times and he seemed to be consistently fast through the middle sector, so I have a feeling Vettel may be running a faster straight line speed setup too.

Going to be a good race I feel, hopefully a Ferrari win!

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I think Mercedes and Max are going to faster than Ferrari. Vettel will be the faster of the two Ferrari drivers so it will interesting to see how Ferrari will handle it. Ferrari will be hoping that their tyre wear is not too bad. Honda is much better in race even though Max is using old engine and if Mercedes new engine is faster in race pace ? Ferrari can still loose this race.
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BTW there was a very serious accident in F2 race

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trento wrote:BTW there was a very serious accident in F2 race
This is being discussed in other threads, but I will reiterate the post I put elsewhere: no images or footage of the crash or aftermath please.

The weekend is basically on hold pending the FIA's investigation. As soon as we hear a decision, we will post it here and in the qualifying thread unless another user beats us to it.

We thank you all for your respect of this request and of the young man whose life was cut short this afternoon.

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I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.

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I'm forgetting what I've discussed where now, but some have theorized that the death will instantly end the weekend, while others have said it's down to whether the track is found to be partially or wholly responsible. I'm not even delving into emotional responses now, no matter how easy that would be.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
In terms of safety, the FIA have to ensure that all is a good as it can be at the circuit.

As for the emotional reasons for racing or not, I would find it hard to believe there's a single racing driver who would want a race meeting to be cancelled on the back of their untimely death. Therefore, FIA safety checks permitting, the rest of the weekend should all go ahead, F3 and F2 included.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
In terms of safety, the FIA have to ensure that all is a good as it can be at the circuit.

As for the emotional reasons for racing or not, I would find it hard to believe there's a single racing driver who would want a race meeting to be cancelled on the back of their untimely death. Therefore, FIA safety checks permitting, the rest of the weekend should all go ahead, F3 and F2 included.

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There's also PR to consider, and local laws. Some countries mandate canceling the event if a death occurs. I believe Italy have that law, and it was part of the controversy around the continued Imola 1994 race.

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The F2 race tomorrow has been cancelled: https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status ... 2686029827

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I think the race will happen, however, the circumstances of the accident have not been discussed. If the cause of the accident is in any way reproducible then the race is in doubt. Or should be in my mind.

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Option or Prime wrote:I think the race will happen, however, the circumstances of the accident have not been discussed. If the cause of the accident is in any way reproducible then the race is in doubt. Or should be in my mind.
Well it clearly is IMO. Trouble is that's the case at every single track.

Everyone knew what happened today could happen. This isn't new information.

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Option or Prime wrote:I think the race will happen, however, the circumstances of the accident have not been discussed. If the cause of the accident is in any way reproducible then the race is in doubt. Or should be in my mind.
Wiki has the history of fatalities at Spa Francorchamps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... fatalities

The last three fatalities including today have been at or just after Raidillon. The previous two were in 2013 (Classic F3 race) & 2008 (Bikers cup motorcycle race).

Given the amount of racing that is done at Spa, It doesn't appear to be a very dangerous track over the last 30 or so years. That is not to say that a convergence of new factors have not created new hazards but I just haven't seen anything about that part of the course that is uniquely hazardous among the places the FIA races.
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I don't like to see drivers lose their lives but I hope this doesn't generate some knee-jerk neutering of Eau Rouge or Raidillon

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Mort Canard wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:I think the race will happen, however, the circumstances of the accident have not been discussed. If the cause of the accident is in any way reproducible then the race is in doubt. Or should be in my mind.
Wiki has the history of fatalities at Spa Francorchamps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... fatalities

The last three fatalities including today have been at or just after Raidillon. The previous two were in 2013 (Classic F3 race) & 2008 (Bikers cup motorcycle race).

Given the amount of racing that is done at Spa, It doesn't appear to be a very dangerous track over the last 30 or so years. That is not to say that a convergence of new factors have not created new hazards but I just haven't seen anything about that part of the course that is uniquely hazardous among the places the FIA races.
I disagree. I think the same incident could just as easily occur in an F1 race with the same outcome. Look at Kevin Magnussen's crash at that same corner a couple of years ago. It doesn't have to play out very differently for him to spin back onto the track into the path of other cars.

I'm sure commercial pressures will dictate that the F1 race goes ahead, and as along as the drivers are unanimously in agreement then I guess it's OK to do so. But if you ask me, that corner and in particular the run-off area need a serious looking at before any more top-level racing is allowed on this circuit.

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j man wrote:
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Option or Prime wrote:I think the race will happen, however, the circumstances of the accident have not been discussed. If the cause of the accident is in any way reproducible then the race is in doubt. Or should be in my mind.
Wiki has the history of fatalities at Spa Francorchamps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... fatalities

The last three fatalities including today have been at or just after Raidillon. The previous two were in 2013 (Classic F3 race) & 2008 (Bikers cup motorcycle race).

Given the amount of racing that is done at Spa, It doesn't appear to be a very dangerous track over the last 30 or so years. That is not to say that a convergence of new factors have not created new hazards but I just haven't seen anything about that part of the course that is uniquely hazardous among the places the FIA races.
I disagree. I think the same incident could just as easily occur in an F1 race with the same outcome. Look at Kevin Magnussen's crash at that same corner a couple of years ago. It doesn't have to play out very differently for him to spin back onto the track into the path of other cars.

I'm sure commercial pressures will dictate that the F1 race goes ahead, and as along as the drivers are unanimously in agreement then I guess it's OK to do so. But if you ask me, that corner and in particular the run-off area need a serious looking at before any more top-level racing is allowed on this circuit.
I didn't say it didn't have any danger. I did say that I didn't think that it was uniquely dangerous among the place that the FIA races. Certainly things can be done to remove some of the danger of spinning cars being shunted back into the path of oncoming traffic. Moving the barriers back from the track would seem to be in order. The barrier that shields safety vehicles at the exit of Raidillion probably needs to be moved back as it funnels wrecks back onto the circuit.

I am no expert but I don't think it would be worth scrapping tomorrow's race for these modifications.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
In terms of safety, the FIA have to ensure that all is a good as it can be at the circuit.

As for the emotional reasons for racing or not, I would find it hard to believe there's a single racing driver who would want a race meeting to be cancelled on the back of their untimely death. Therefore, FIA safety checks permitting, the rest of the weekend should all go ahead, F3 and F2 included.

Just my opinion.
Any thoughts on gravel traps? The car would then not come back on track?

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trento wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:I've seen calls on social media for this race to be suspended in the wake of the F2 tragedy. For once I just don't have an opinion. I can see why people are calling for it, and I can see why some want the race to go ahead in his memory.
In terms of safety, the FIA have to ensure that all is a good as it can be at the circuit.

As for the emotional reasons for racing or not, I would find it hard to believe there's a single racing driver who would want a race meeting to be cancelled on the back of their untimely death. Therefore, FIA safety checks permitting, the rest of the weekend should all go ahead, F3 and F2 included.

Just my opinion.
Any thoughts on gravel traps? The car would then not come back on track?
Coming off Raidillion at around 200mph a car might end up tumbling violently across a gravel trap. Don't know how well that would work.
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This is the provisional grid for today's race:

1 Charles Leclerc Ferrari
2 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
4 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull
6 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing
7 Sergio Perez Racing Point
8 Kevin Magnussen Haas
9 Romain Grosjean Haas
10 Daniel Ricciardo Renault *
11 Lando Norris McLaren
12 Nico Hulkenberg Renault *
13 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing
14 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso
15 George Russell Williams
16 Carlos Sainz McLaren *
17 Lance Stroll Racing Point **
18 Alex Albon Red Bull **
19 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso ***
20 Robert Kubica Williams

* five-place power unit change penalty
** multiple power unit element changes
*** Multiple power unit element changes and gearbox
**** Kubica races at the stewards’ discretion having not setting a time in qualy
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It's raining currently at Spa. During the race, it's expected to be much cooler, cloudy & a little chance of rain.
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Pit strategy options as per Pirelli:

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What will Vettel's tactics be to try to overhaul the 7 tenths pace difference shown by LeClerc in Quali?

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Kev627 wrote:What will Vettel's tactics be to try to overhaul the 7 tenths pace difference shown by LeClerc in Quali?
The actual pace difference between the two won't have been seven tenths though, Vettel seemed to be pretty scruffy in Q3.

If Vettel follows Leclerc through turn one I think he'll fancy his chances of slipstreaming his team mate down the long straight and attempting to pass. That could be the race.

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Updated starting order as Giovinazzi & Kubica get penalties too. Russell has benefited the most as he starts P14.

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The weather was quite cloudy & cold even. Wonder what are the chances of rain at this time?
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Unbelievably brave by Anthoine's family to observe the minute silence at the GP. Heart-wrenching.

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ouch max!!

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Ahaha, that was super easy for Vettel. Got done at the start, and it didn't matter.
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I keep forgetting - Verstappen's meant to be a great driver, isn't he ?

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Greenman wrote:.

I keep forgetting - Verstappen's meant to be a great driver, isn't he ?

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He's only human so let's not crucify the chap.

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Got to mostly blame Verstappen for that. But after such a hit, i have no clue why he went as fast as he did just after it. The retirement was certainly his own fault. That speed down the hill was a bit silly really.

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Greenman wrote:.

I keep forgetting - Verstappen's meant to be a great driver, isn't he ?

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I think that was another case of Max being a little impatient and trying to win points at T1, lap 1. He's too good for this kind of thing.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:Got to mostly blame Verstappen for that. But after such a hit, i have no clue why he went as fast as he did just after it. The retirement was certainly his own fault. That speed down the hill was a bit silly really.

From the in car camera, it looked like he was working the steering wheel with no effect from the front wheels well before where he went off.
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