2019 German Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:10 pm
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Why twice?Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
I checked the BBC forecast and it has that icon with sun/cloud/rain all together! Typical!!!mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.Siao7 wrote:Why twice?Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Military style? Or typo style?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?Fiki wrote:Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.Siao7 wrote:Why twice?Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Fiki wrote:Military style? Or typo style?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
How very British.Siao7 wrote:I checked the BBC forecast and it has that icon with sun/cloud/rain all together! Typical!!!mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
The last thing that Vettel wants is a self inflicted DNF.mikeyg123 wrote:I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm just viewing it from Vettel's performances in such conditions the past few years not him merely not crashing, he's not looked fast.mikeyg123 wrote:I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.Siao7 wrote:I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?Fiki wrote:Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.Siao7 wrote:Why twice?Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.Fiki wrote:I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.Siao7 wrote:I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?Fiki wrote:Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.Siao7 wrote:Why twice?Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.Siao7 wrote:Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.Fiki wrote:I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.Siao7 wrote:I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?Fiki wrote:Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.Siao7 wrote: Why twice?
Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Anyway, let's not derail this further
pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I would have to call you out on that one regarding Mercedes unless you think that they prioritised Rosberg in 2016?WHoff78 wrote:Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.Siao7 wrote:Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.Fiki wrote:I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.Siao7 wrote:I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?Fiki wrote: Who builds the Ferrari engines again? The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Anyway, let's not derail this further
Yup, Mercedes famously switched the garages to make it fair half way between the Ham-Ros partnership.pokerman wrote:I would have to call you out on that one regarding Mercedes unless you thing that they prioritised Rosberg in 2016?WHoff78 wrote:Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.Siao7 wrote:Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.Fiki wrote:I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.Siao7 wrote:
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?
Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Anyway, let's not derail this further
I don't think that Ferrari has an even amount of downforce compared to Mercedes, so I guess it's an old sickness of Ferrari's car in general. But I would like to see a rain finally because it would be a make or brake for Leclerc, who is so far known to be a pretty bad driver in the rain, loosing positions and generally driving slowly than other drivers.Mort Canard wrote:pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
Yeah, I almost want a wet race just to see how he fares. He looks a good future prospect for Ferrari, but his wet driving is still up for scrutinyInvade wrote:Yes I'm very curious to see how Leclerc will continue to fare in the wet. I do expect him to improve substantially but whether he can ever become a consistently good driver in the wet is a whole other matter. Perhaps he'll always be mediocre? I find that doubtful though as he seems to be an adaptable racer and quite a talent - albeit I base this on limited data and only a handful of excellent performances.
That's true this year but certainly not the last 2 years in respect to downforce.Lt. Drebin wrote:I don't think that Ferrari has an even amount of downforce compared to Mercedes, so I guess it's an old sickness of Ferrari's car in general. But I would like to see a rain finally because it would be a make or brake for Leclerc, who is so far known to be a pretty bad driver in the rain, loosing positions and generally driving slowly than other drivers.Mort Canard wrote:pokerman wrote:I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
Am I missing something on this graphic? C2 & C3 are mandatory race tyres - so if you're in the top 10 and do Q2 on C4 you have to use all three compounds?UnlikeUday wrote:Pirelli tyres allocated settings / setup for this race:
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I was hoping they would go all white with bits of green. As it is I am not in love with it.UnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:
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Honestly terribleUnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:
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Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,
With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.
I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
IMO it would have been better to be all white and then have a few small 'tears' on it showing silver underneath. Would tell the same story but also look better.Option or Prime wrote:Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,
With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.
I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
It goes back to the original colour of Mercedes that was white. In one of the earliest races Mercedes built a car specifically for that race.
They presented their car to the scrutineers but it failed because it was overweight. To reduce weight the scraped of the paint to reveal the original aluminium beneath. The car passed and they liked the look of the silver aluminium so they kept it.
Apart from it being primarily designed for its historical significance; it has to be 'peeled' back to its normal livery so its ready for Hungary next week. So not an option to cover all of it. And I suspect the engineering department didn't want any sort of covering over the hot bits. From what I heard the white bits are vinyl?kleefton wrote:I was hoping they would go all white with bits of green. As it is I am not in love with it.UnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:
Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAUbVbyW4AA ... ame=medium
Thank you for sharing the story. While it's well known it adds well to the story. But why is it not supposed to be stunning? I mean, why can it be nice to look at, like a Lotus JPS livery or Ligier 1980 livery and so on?Option or Prime wrote:Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,
With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.
I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
It goes back to the original colour of Mercedes that was white. In one of the earliest races Mercedes built a car specifically for that race.
They presented their car to the scrutineers but it failed because it was overweight. To reduce weight the scraped of the paint to reveal the original aluminium beneath. The car passed and they liked the look of the silver aluminium so they kept it.