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Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.

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This one will be an easy Merc win I'm afraid

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
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Racing Point will be having as good as a B-spec car in 2 parts, starting in Germany & then Hungary. Only tthe chassis will remain constant part of the car.

The car will be sporting a new rear in Germany whereas in Hungary, the car will sport loads of upgrades for the front. All these upgrades (thanks to Stroll's investment) are based on a new philosophy where impetus will be given to downforce. In 2014 too, Force India had released their B-Spec car & it was a delight on the track.

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Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
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Fiki wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.

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mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
I checked the BBC forecast and it has that icon with sun/cloud/rain all together! Typical!!!

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Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
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mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
Military style? Or typo style? ;)
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Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
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Fiki wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
Military style? Or typo style? ;)
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Siao7 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exercise his demons?
I checked the BBC forecast and it has that icon with sun/cloud/rain all together! Typical!!!
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mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.
The last thing that Vettel wants is a self inflicted DNF. :frown:

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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
I don't know. If I was Vettel right now I've almost got nothing to lose. A chance at redemption could give him something to kick on from.
I'm just viewing it from Vettel's performances in such conditions the past few years not him merely not crashing, he's not looked fast.
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Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:Rooting for a Vettel win this weekend. Ferrari needs one, he needs one. Would be nice for it to happen here after last year.
Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
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Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:Already twice this year, Ferrari have made sure his team-mate lost a win. I'll help you root for a Ferrari 1-2, with Vettel following Leclerc across the finish line.
Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.

Anyway, let's not derail this further

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Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote: Why twice?

Baku was an engine problem, not a strategy call.
Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.

Anyway, let's not derail this further
Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
:thumbup: :nod:
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WHoff78 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote: Who builds the Ferrari engines again? ;) The thing I couldn't help but remember when Leclerc's engine gave up, was that during Schumacher's astounding reliability run (ending at Suzuka 2006, if memory serves), just about all technical problems happened on the other driver's car, and that Ferrari had this year openly said they would focus on Vettel.
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.

Anyway, let's not derail this further
Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.
I would have to call you out on that one regarding Mercedes unless you think that they prioritised Rosberg in 2016?
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pokerman wrote:
WHoff78 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Fiki wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I do not believe they can control when or how an engine will fail Fiki. It could also be that one driver is nicer and softer on parts than the other, Prost style. Why on earth would they not fix something on an engine, but instead give it to the other driver? Especially when they are desperate for points. Why does it have to be something sinister that Ferrari does?

Not buying it really, seemingly your personal dislike of Schumacher's antics makes you very suspicious of everything that happens in the red camp. An engine component fails and you remember something from Schumacher's car nearly two decades ago... It really doesn't add up
I have no idea whether they can control it now, or whether they could control it back when Barrichello was always the one to fail. But it was extraordinary. Enough to make fans wonder.
I can't deny that the Schumacher era made me wary of Ferrari. And of Todt.
Not always, Rubens had the lion's share on problems, but Schumacher had some as well. And I can't remember fans wondering, apart from you.

Anyway, let's not derail this further
Is it not as simple as how you assign resources and man hours spent on each driver/car combination, and that would extend to engine maintenance and checks? I imagine some teams focus more on one driver and some teams split resources fairly even depending on the goals/circumstances – some seasons it will be better to maximize one driver and get a few race wins than hedge your bets and have both drivers get podiums (especially as this will see them racing each other more and potentially hurting their own races). I think we even see this at Mercedes as the gap between the drivers is bigger some seasons. The other option is putting your best crews/personnel on the lead drivers car. I actually imagine it’s easier to favour one driver than it is to achieve parity.
I would have to call you out on that one regarding Mercedes unless you thing that they prioritised Rosberg in 2016?
Yup, Mercedes famously switched the garages to make it fair half way between the Ham-Ros partnership.

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As per predicted forecast, Friday will be hot whereas there's a chance of thunderstorms on Saturday. Sunday it could rain too.

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
:thumbup: :nod:
I don't think that Ferrari has an even amount of downforce compared to Mercedes, so I guess it's an old sickness of Ferrari's car in general. But I would like to see a rain finally because it would be a make or brake for Leclerc, who is so far known to be a pretty bad driver in the rain, loosing positions and generally driving slowly than other drivers.
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Yes I'm very curious to see how Leclerc will continue to fare in the wet. I do expect him to improve substantially but whether he can ever become a consistently good driver in the wet is a whole other matter. Perhaps he'll always be mediocre? I find that doubtful though as he seems to be an adaptable racer and quite a talent - albeit I base this on limited data and only a handful of excellent performances.

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Invade wrote:Yes I'm very curious to see how Leclerc will continue to fare in the wet. I do expect him to improve substantially but whether he can ever become a consistently good driver in the wet is a whole other matter. Perhaps he'll always be mediocre? I find that doubtful though as he seems to be an adaptable racer and quite a talent - albeit I base this on limited data and only a handful of excellent performances.
Yeah, I almost want a wet race just to see how he fares. He looks a good future prospect for Ferrari, but his wet driving is still up for scrutiny

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Pirelli tyres allocated settings / setup for this race:

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Chance of a wet one. An opportunity for Vettel to exorcise his demons?
I'm guessing that will be the last thing that Vettel wants to see?
:thumbup: :nod:
I don't think that Ferrari has an even amount of downforce compared to Mercedes, so I guess it's an old sickness of Ferrari's car in general. But I would like to see a rain finally because it would be a make or brake for Leclerc, who is so far known to be a pretty bad driver in the rain, loosing positions and generally driving slowly than other drivers.
That's true this year but certainly not the last 2 years in respect to downforce.

In respect to Leclerc he's not to bad if it's fully wet and he's on the correct tyres, it's when conditions become a bit indeterminant for the tyres that he struggles judging the grip.
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Mercedes with the White livery:

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Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,

With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.

I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
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UnlikeUday wrote:Pirelli tyres allocated settings / setup for this race:

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Am I missing something on this graphic? C2 & C3 are mandatory race tyres - so if you're in the top 10 and do Q2 on C4 you have to use all three compounds?

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UnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:

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I was hoping they would go all white with bits of green. As it is I am not in love with it.

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UnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:

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Honestly terrible :lol:

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Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,

With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.

I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.

It goes back to the original colour of Mercedes that was white. In one of the earliest races Mercedes built a car specifically for that race.
They presented their car to the scrutineers but it failed because it was overweight. To reduce weight the scraped of the paint to reveal the original aluminium beneath. The car passed and they liked the look of the silver aluminium so they kept it.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,

With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.

I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.

It goes back to the original colour of Mercedes that was white. In one of the earliest races Mercedes built a car specifically for that race.
They presented their car to the scrutineers but it failed because it was overweight. To reduce weight the scraped of the paint to reveal the original aluminium beneath. The car passed and they liked the look of the silver aluminium so they kept it.
IMO it would have been better to be all white and then have a few small 'tears' on it showing silver underneath. Would tell the same story but also look better.

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kleefton wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Mercedes with the White livery:

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I was hoping they would go all white with bits of green. As it is I am not in love with it.
Apart from it being primarily designed for its historical significance; it has to be 'peeled' back to its normal livery so its ready for Hungary next week. So not an option to cover all of it. And I suspect the engineering department didn't want any sort of covering over the hot bits. From what I heard the white bits are vinyl?

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KMs Haas getting a tow back to the pits. That's probably the fastest it will go all weekend :p

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Option or Prime wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:Thanks for sharing Unlikeday,

With the effort I am actually not impressed. What, an old logo and inscription in the old fonts, change half of the car in white, and that's it? I have not seen a stunning livery in F1 for ages.

I hope it will not glow on the TV screen.
Its not supposed to be stunning, its historical and tells a story hence the half and half, white and silver.

It goes back to the original colour of Mercedes that was white. In one of the earliest races Mercedes built a car specifically for that race.
They presented their car to the scrutineers but it failed because it was overweight. To reduce weight the scraped of the paint to reveal the original aluminium beneath. The car passed and they liked the look of the silver aluminium so they kept it.
Thank you for sharing the story. While it's well known it adds well to the story. But why is it not supposed to be stunning? I mean, why can it be nice to look at, like a Lotus JPS livery or Ligier 1980 livery and so on?
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