Vettel's post-Canada behaviour

BMWSauber84 · Post by **BMWSauber84** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:10 pm

I don't think there is a great deal wrong with Vettel's actions. It certainly doesn't compare to his ludocrous foul mouthed rant at Charlie a few years back.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:54 pm

mcdo wrote:It was box office and the vast majority loved it. Personally I was hoping he'd stick to his guns and boycott the podium altogether

Exactly this I was hoping he would have done that as well!

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:57 pm

Laz_T800 wrote:It was a tantrum, similar to ones we've seen before from Vettel and Max.
I found the swapping numbers thing childish and disrespectful.
As recently as Monaco, Vettel benefited from a penalty that bumped him up to 2nd.
Would he have found it acceptable if Max had have taken his 2nd position marker and put it front of his car?

Apples and Oranges no correlation at all!

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:03 pm

sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:07 pm

At least Vettel's behaviour and the penalty has overshadowed the fact Vettel has made another mistake under pressure. Top drivers just cant make this many mistakes.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:11 pm

I will forever be in favour of driver outbursts and emotion

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:17 pm

Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Its got nothing to do with Mercedes, nothing at all, Vettel's argument was with the stewards.....that's why he stopped his car out of parc ferme and jumped out.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:19 pm

The best action he took was going for a walk and not being greeted with a microphone in his face. Whether it was to cool off or with the intent to skip the podium all together and convinced other wise, it allowed him a few minutes to gather himself and not do something hot headed as he has done in the past.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:19 pm

Option or Prime wrote:
Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!
Its got nothing to do with Mercedes, nothing at all, Vettel's argument was with the stewards.....that's why he stopped his car out of parc ferme and jumped out.

You have got the radio communication to listen to, its got everything to do with them.

Even Toto was embarrassed being interviewed on sky afterwards.

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:25 pm

Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:47 pm

sandman1347 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!
Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

What Gary Anderson had to say is well up there.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:48 pm

Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Hahahahah whhhaaaaaaaaaaattt

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:08 pm

Mod edit

Pullrod · Post by **Pullrod** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:25 pm

Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
KingVoid wrote:No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!
Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.
You seem a very toxic individual who feels they know it all and could go on and attack you for trying to ram your opinion over everyone else as you seem to do on every thread involving Hamilton or Mercedes.

If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.

But Vettel antics were not.. (???)

Siao7 · Post by **Siao7** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:32 pm

Pullrod wrote:
Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
sandman1347 wrote: This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?
What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!
Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.
You seem a very toxic individual who feels they know it all and could go on and attack you for trying to ram your opinion over everyone else as you seem to do on every thread involving Hamilton or Mercedes.

If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.
But Vettel antics were not.. (???)

Apples and oranges?

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:32 pm

Rockie wrote:If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.

I think the Mods are quite capable of policing the board, in this case I don't think the Sandman is bring disrespectful, tactless, classless or childish. It is simply not a Ferrari v Mercedes issue. You are right to support Vettel, he did get a harsh decision but its not a wrong decision.

Vettel made a mistake, got a bum decision and had a rant, most of it was witty and entertaining, some of it I think went too far, but thats Vettel.

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:47 pm

Mod edit

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:04 pm

Mod edit

Post by **Mod Titanium** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Enough already, this has been going on across numerous threads. If you cannot discuss the topic at hand without personal jabs then it’s time to walk away from the discussion

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:50 pm

Is there a penalty for skipping the podium?

FragNasty · Post by **FragNasty** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:08 pm

Acceptable only because it is rebellious to the neat and tidy order F1 is trying to project (that is their problem) and penalties are their manipulation tool to try to obtain perception of neat and tidy. Good luck to F1 management on that.

If you scan images of Vettel you see he wears a frown most of the time; if you where to ask a kid to draw his facial expression it would be like

. And then the furrows in his brow makes him look angry as well; I suppose it is his nominal "at ease" demeanour when he is concentrated.

And I much like this sad, angry Vettel then the celebratory one. The finger (index finger) gestures, singing "Yes! Yes! Yes!" and that little anthem he toots. Oh man, I hope he never wins again!.

F1 MERCENARY · Post by **F1 MERCENARY** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:12 pm

What’s with all this political game nonsense?

This had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics and everything to do with a guy reacting genuinely to a situation where he felt wronged. Nothing more, nothing less, and he wasn’t trying to appeal to anyone’s sympathetic side either. He felt the penalty was BS and was letting them know he wasn’t the least bit pleased and felt like he should’ve been the winner.

End of story.

I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind. In the end both he and Hamilton can’t win in the eyes of the masses regardless of how they react, what they say, or their driving, so I don’t pay attention to any of it because it’s mostly nonsense and these guys are for real.

Lord Crc · Post by **Lord Crc** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:00 pm

F1 MERCENARY wrote:I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind.

While I think Vettel goes a bit over the top at times, such as in Canada, it also tells me just how much it means to him and his level of motivation. I'd much rather have some emotional outbursts from a guy who's really motivated and driven on the grid than some paycheck driver.

DOLOMITE · Post by **DOLOMITE** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:15 pm

My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

I could be well off but that's my take.

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:02 am

DOLOMITE wrote:My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

I could be well off but that's my take.

I agree with you, but even if it wasn't a deliberate act, his actions have served to deflect from the fact he made a mistake as it has ensured majority of the press coverage is about is the controversy of the decision and not the fact that if he hadn't made the error then he would have won the race.

dpastern · Post by **dpastern** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:11 am

Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:23 am

dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.

He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?

Siao7 · Post by **Siao7** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:28 am

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

I could be well off but that's my take.
I agree with you, but even if it wasn't a deliberate act, his actions have served to deflect from the fact he made a mistake as it has ensured majority of the press coverage is about is the controversy of the decision and not the fact that if he hadn't made the error then he would have won the race.

I agree too. Overall I'm not sure that Vettel did it on purpose, more like red mist, as he is known to throw the toys out of the pram. This is why I found it funny, it didn't seem a calculated move. The positive side effect for him is that it deflected the attention from the fact that he messed up and also that Ferrari didn't tell Charles about the time penalty that could have cost him another place.

MistaVega23 · Post by **MistaVega23** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:45 am

F1 MERCENARY wrote:What’s with all this political game nonsense?

This had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics and everything to do with a guy reacting genuinely to a situation where he felt wronged. Nothing more, nothing less, and he wasn’t trying to appeal to anyone’s sympathetic side either. He felt the penalty was BS and was letting them know he wasn’t the least bit pleased and felt like he should’ve been the winner.

End of story.

I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind. In the end both he and Hamilton can’t win in the eyes of the masses regardless of how they react, what they say, or their driving, so I don’t pay attention to any of it because it’s mostly nonsense and these guys are for real.

This. All day long.

Anyone who is calling for sanctions against Vettel really need to calm down.

dpastern · Post by **dpastern** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:16 pm

mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?

let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:30 pm

dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

Why on earth should someone be DSQ for what is effectively an admin irregularity?

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:04 pm

dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:10 pm

dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

Note to self, ignore this guy's honest opinions in the future.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:14 pm

mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.
I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

And Alonso from Valencia in 2012.

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:18 pm

mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.
I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.

Blake · Post by **Blake** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:22 pm

dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.

Then we are all lucky you are not a steward.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:11 pm

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.
He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.
I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key
Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.

Hang on has this entire debacle not stemmed from Vettel getting penalised for a mistake in the first place? His on-track actions weren't deliberate and he was slapped with a penalty due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

By that same token if DSQs are on the table for parking in the wrong place post-chequered flag then if Vettel gets DSQ, then Button does too due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

Consistency is key

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:35 pm

mcdo wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
mcdo wrote:
dpastern wrote:
mcdo wrote: He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?
let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.
I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key
Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.
Hang on has this entire debacle not stemmed from Vettel getting penalised for a mistake in the first place? His on-track actions weren't deliberate and he was slapped with a penalty due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

By that same token if DSQs are on the table for parking in the wrong place post-chequered flag then if Vettel gets DSQ, then Button does too due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

Consistency is key

Vettel's actions were judged by the stewards to be deliberate.

Donington93 · Post by **Donington93** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:41 pm

I don't have an issue with his post race behavior, was it in my opinion "perfect", no, but I think the steward's decision was not perfect. I think they should have told him he either gives Hamilton the position within x laps or gets a 5 second penalty if he does not comply...then if he gives Hamilton the position he can attempt to pass him until the end of the race...that is what the rule should be IMO.

stevey · Post by **stevey** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:24 pm

it would have been great if on the podium he had done the gladiator shout of " Are you not entertained?"

In regards to the thread his behaviour while a little childish was acceptable in my opinion as it shows he still has passion for what he is doing.

What did you think?