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Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:19 pm
by mikeyg123
pokerman wrote:nibaru wrote:Regarding the idea of reverse grids:
I used to race a Brisca F1 stock car. We worked to reverse grids. Every month the drivers were graded according to the points accrued in that month. We were then split into 5 groups according to points scored in that month. The top scorers started at the back and the low scorers at the front. The top drivers invariably ended up at the top over the season, but it provided diverse winners. It was exciting to watch the top drivers (Invariably in better cars) fight to come through from the back to win. It probably wouldn't work with the aero effect of today's F1 cars, but if the cars were not so aero dependant, maybe it could offer an alternative. Even if only at a few races? Brisca F1 has never been any different and it was never short of excitement.
Horses for courses, how many F1 fans watch that kind of racing, I know I don't, having the Lance Stroll's of this world winning F1 races just devalues F1 in my opinion.
He wouldn't win an F1 race with reverse grids either.
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:52 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:nibaru wrote:Regarding the idea of reverse grids:
I used to race a Brisca F1 stock car. We worked to reverse grids. Every month the drivers were graded according to the points accrued in that month. We were then split into 5 groups according to points scored in that month. The top scorers started at the back and the low scorers at the front. The top drivers invariably ended up at the top over the season, but it provided diverse winners. It was exciting to watch the top drivers (Invariably in better cars) fight to come through from the back to win. It probably wouldn't work with the aero effect of today's F1 cars, but if the cars were not so aero dependant, maybe it could offer an alternative. Even if only at a few races? Brisca F1 has never been any different and it was never short of excitement.
Horses for courses, how many F1 fans watch that kind of racing, I know I don't, having the Lance Stroll's of this world winning F1 races just devalues F1 in my opinion.
He wouldn't win an F1 race with reverse grids either.
He's already had a podium and was 1 lap away from second place so how could you be sure?
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:11 pm
by mikeyg123
pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:nibaru wrote:Regarding the idea of reverse grids:
I used to race a Brisca F1 stock car. We worked to reverse grids. Every month the drivers were graded according to the points accrued in that month. We were then split into 5 groups according to points scored in that month. The top scorers started at the back and the low scorers at the front. The top drivers invariably ended up at the top over the season, but it provided diverse winners. It was exciting to watch the top drivers (Invariably in better cars) fight to come through from the back to win. It probably wouldn't work with the aero effect of today's F1 cars, but if the cars were not so aero dependant, maybe it could offer an alternative. Even if only at a few races? Brisca F1 has never been any different and it was never short of excitement.
Horses for courses, how many F1 fans watch that kind of racing, I know I don't, having the Lance Stroll's of this world winning F1 races just devalues F1 in my opinion.
He wouldn't win an F1 race with reverse grids either.
He's already had a podium and was 1 lap away from second place so how could you be sure?
Ok I'll rephrase. Having reverse grids wouldn't make it anymore likely he would win. Obviously a situation like Baku 2016 could still happen.
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:52 pm
by Herb
nibaru wrote:Regarding the idea of reverse grids:
I used to race a Brisca F1 stock car. We worked to reverse grids. Every month the drivers were graded according to the points accrued in that month. We were then split into 5 groups according to points scored in that month. The top scorers started at the back and the low scorers at the front. The top drivers invariably ended up at the top over the season, but it provided diverse winners. It was exciting to watch the top drivers (Invariably in better cars) fight to come through from the back to win. It probably wouldn't work with the aero effect of today's F1 cars, but if the cars were not so aero dependant, maybe it could offer an alternative. Even if only at a few races? Brisca F1 has never been any different and it was never short of excitement.
I've watched a lot of BriSCA F1 (and F2, V8s, Saloons, minis etc!).
I love it, and for excitement, and overall value for money entertainment it beats FIA F1 hands-down every day of the week.
But - those cars are designed for overtaking, and have bumpers for moving slower cars out of the way. I'm not against the idea of reverse grids for FIA F1, but the rules and cars would need to be designed with that in mind (maybe no bad thing!).
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:49 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:nibaru wrote:Regarding the idea of reverse grids:
I used to race a Brisca F1 stock car. We worked to reverse grids. Every month the drivers were graded according to the points accrued in that month. We were then split into 5 groups according to points scored in that month. The top scorers started at the back and the low scorers at the front. The top drivers invariably ended up at the top over the season, but it provided diverse winners. It was exciting to watch the top drivers (Invariably in better cars) fight to come through from the back to win. It probably wouldn't work with the aero effect of today's F1 cars, but if the cars were not so aero dependant, maybe it could offer an alternative. Even if only at a few races? Brisca F1 has never been any different and it was never short of excitement.
Horses for courses, how many F1 fans watch that kind of racing, I know I don't, having the Lance Stroll's of this world winning F1 races just devalues F1 in my opinion.
He wouldn't win an F1 race with reverse grids either.
He's already had a podium and was 1 lap away from second place so how could you be sure?
Ok I'll rephrase. Having reverse grids wouldn't make it anymore likely he would win. Obviously a situation like Baku 2016 could still happen.
Anyway it was a generalisation of slower cars/drivers winning especially if the 2021 rules close up the performances of the cars as intended.
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:52 pm
by ozf1nut1972
Has consideration been given to the engines / exhaust being tweaked to give us some of the old loud sound of the past......
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:11 pm
by tim3003
The FIA is now admitting the gain in downforce of a following car is likely to be less than the hoped for rise from 55% to 86% at one car length. Does anyone have any idea of how this sort of gain would compare to past levels of retained downforce? As I remember it 1995 was about the time F1 cars really lost a reasonable ability to pass - my theory is that high noses were the biggest cause. So I think if we could get back to 1990 levels that would be a good step; to 1980 levels would be a great step; surely 1970 is unachievable...
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:42 pm
by pokerman
ozf1nut1972 wrote:Has consideration been given to the engines / exhaust being tweaked to give us some of the old loud sound of the past......
I don't think that's high on the list of future green technology?
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:22 pm
by angrypirate
pokerman wrote:ozf1nut1972 wrote:Has consideration been given to the engines / exhaust being tweaked to give us some of the old loud sound of the past......
I don't think that's high on the list of future green technology?
I think the FIA toyed with the idea of putting vuvuzelas (not literally) on the exhaust sometime ago (2-3 years) but didnt make the intended results in testing
Re: 2021 Regs
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:25 pm
by pokerman
angrypirate wrote:pokerman wrote:ozf1nut1972 wrote:Has consideration been given to the engines / exhaust being tweaked to give us some of the old loud sound of the past......
I don't think that's high on the list of future green technology?
I think the FIA toyed with the idea of putting vuvuzelas (not literally) on the exhaust sometime ago (2-3 years) but didnt make the intended results in testing
I feel as part of the anti-hybrid sentiment, things have moved on since and now we hear of things like the imminent death of the ICE to be replaced by the near soundless electric cars, be grateful for what we presently have.