Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Monaco Grand Prix

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Driver(s) of the day for me is/are:

1. Lewis Hamilton
33
26%
2. Valtteri Bottas
2
2%
3. Sebastian Vettel
6
5%
4. Charles Leclerc
5
4%
5. Pierre Gasly
8
6%
6. Max Verstappen
21
17%
7. Sergio Perez
0
No votes
8. Lance Stroll
2
2%
9. Robert Kubica
4
3%
10. George Russell
3
2%
11. Carlos Sainz
23
18%
12. Lando Norris
1
1%
13. Alexander Albon
6
5%
14. Daniil Kvyat
7
6%
15. Romain Grosjean
2
2%
16. Kevin Magnussen
0
No votes
17. Nico Hulkenberg
0
No votes
18. Daniel Ricciardo
3
2%
19. Kimi Raikkonen
1
1%
20. Antonio Giovinazzi
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 127

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Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Monaco Grand Prix

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Zoue wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
pokerman wrote: Who said this?
I believe that it was implied during the discussion about Bottas dropping back from Hamilton when the SC signs came out and was along the lines of: if cars are not allowed to drop back under SC conditions, leading team-mates at Monaco would probably maintain a 5-second gap in anticipation of a SC and having to double-pit. The implication (from my view) is that this would be discussed before the race.
Thank you, I feel like I have to spell everything sometimes
But teams discuss ALL OF THEIR STRATEGIES BEFORE A RACE. This is in no way any different whatsoever to any other predetermined strategy, such as when they are going to pit, dropping back to preserve tyres, the order they will use the tyre compounds, when to do sprint laps, how much of a gap to pull out to be safe from an undercut... the teams have hours and hours of discussions before each race where they discuss what they will do in each eventuality. IF it was made illegal to back up the pack to protect against a safety car double stack, then this would become an extra dimension of the strategy call. One of the many many many many possible predetermined strategies the teams already discuss before a race.
I'm not convinced of that. Monaco presented a unique set of circumstances and it's almost impossible to overtake there. A driver deliberately hanging back on many other circuits would be inviting an overtake from the opposition and it only works if a) you're counting on a SC and b) the driver behind has resigned themselves to playing a support role after the first corner. I don't see it.

It's not like teams routinely double stack anyway. I doubt it would become a major strategic focus all of a sudden
I'm sure Alien is being totally specific to Monaco unless I've got the wrong end of the stick?
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Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Monaco Grand Prix

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
tootsie323 wrote: I believe that it was implied during the discussion about Bottas dropping back from Hamilton when the SC signs came out and was along the lines of: if cars are not allowed to drop back under SC conditions, leading team-mates at Monaco would probably maintain a 5-second gap in anticipation of a SC and having to double-pit. The implication (from my view) is that this would be discussed before the race.
Thank you, I feel like I have to spell everything sometimes
But teams discuss ALL OF THEIR STRATEGIES BEFORE A RACE. This is in no way any different whatsoever to any other predetermined strategy, such as when they are going to pit, dropping back to preserve tyres, the order they will use the tyre compounds, when to do sprint laps, how much of a gap to pull out to be safe from an undercut... the teams have hours and hours of discussions before each race where they discuss what they will do in each eventuality. IF it was made illegal to back up the pack to protect against a safety car double stack, then this would become an extra dimension of the strategy call. One of the many many many many possible predetermined strategies the teams already discuss before a race.
I'm not convinced of that. Monaco presented a unique set of circumstances and it's almost impossible to overtake there. A driver deliberately hanging back on many other circuits would be inviting an overtake from the opposition and it only works if a) you're counting on a SC and b) the driver behind has resigned themselves to playing a support role after the first corner. I don't see it.

It's not like teams routinely double stack anyway. I doubt it would become a major strategic focus all of a sudden
I'm talking about specifically at Monaco as that would be the only track at which this problem would present itself.
Yep thought so, maybe that explains some of the replies if they have misunderstood?
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Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Monaco Grand Prix

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pokerman wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Siao7 wrote: Thank you, I feel like I have to spell everything sometimes
But teams discuss ALL OF THEIR STRATEGIES BEFORE A RACE. This is in no way any different whatsoever to any other predetermined strategy, such as when they are going to pit, dropping back to preserve tyres, the order they will use the tyre compounds, when to do sprint laps, how much of a gap to pull out to be safe from an undercut... the teams have hours and hours of discussions before each race where they discuss what they will do in each eventuality. IF it was made illegal to back up the pack to protect against a safety car double stack, then this would become an extra dimension of the strategy call. One of the many many many many possible predetermined strategies the teams already discuss before a race.
I'm not convinced of that. Monaco presented a unique set of circumstances and it's almost impossible to overtake there. A driver deliberately hanging back on many other circuits would be inviting an overtake from the opposition and it only works if a) you're counting on a SC and b) the driver behind has resigned themselves to playing a support role after the first corner. I don't see it.

It's not like teams routinely double stack anyway. I doubt it would become a major strategic focus all of a sudden
I'm talking about specifically at Monaco as that would be the only track at which this problem would present itself.
Yep thought so, maybe that explains some of the replies if they have misunderstood?
yes I think so. I certainly thought the point was general.

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Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Monaco Grand Prix

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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: But teams discuss ALL OF THEIR STRATEGIES BEFORE A RACE. This is in no way any different whatsoever to any other predetermined strategy, such as when they are going to pit, dropping back to preserve tyres, the order they will use the tyre compounds, when to do sprint laps, how much of a gap to pull out to be safe from an undercut... the teams have hours and hours of discussions before each race where they discuss what they will do in each eventuality. IF it was made illegal to back up the pack to protect against a safety car double stack, then this would become an extra dimension of the strategy call. One of the many many many many possible predetermined strategies the teams already discuss before a race.
I'm not convinced of that. Monaco presented a unique set of circumstances and it's almost impossible to overtake there. A driver deliberately hanging back on many other circuits would be inviting an overtake from the opposition and it only works if a) you're counting on a SC and b) the driver behind has resigned themselves to playing a support role after the first corner. I don't see it.

It's not like teams routinely double stack anyway. I doubt it would become a major strategic focus all of a sudden
I'm talking about specifically at Monaco as that would be the only track at which this problem would present itself.
Yep thought so, maybe that explains some of the replies if they have misunderstood?
yes I think so. I certainly thought the point was general.
No and maybe that explains saio's posts that had me somewhat baffled?
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