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Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:56 pm
by F1_Ernie
God knows why Mercedes didn't put Hamilton on the hards, track position is king.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:56 pm
by Jezza13
mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
You tell that to the hundreds of people working in the pit lane next to cars travelling at speed a metre or two from them. If they touch and spin, god only knows what might happen.
The people in the pitlane including the ones that released Verstappen? I don't see what's gained with the penalty tbh.
Penalising a dangerous act?
If Verstappen had not have been released in a unsafe way, he'd be sitting behind Bottas right now.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:56 pm
by Siao7
Asphalt_World wrote:Well, it's suddenly got much darker outside my living room window. Could be a chance of rain here too. Going to have to put intermediates on my lawnmower once this race is over.
Depends where your window is!
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:56 pm
by Bacus
pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:57 pm
by mikeyg123
Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
You tell that to the hundreds of people working in the pit lane next to cars travelling at speed a metre or two from them. If they touch and spin, god only knows what might happen.
The people in the pitlane including the ones that released Verstappen? I don't see what's gained with the penalty tbh.
Yes. if they had touched and a car had spun, all manner of people down the pit lane could have been driving in to. The pit lane should not be for racing side by side.
We shall have to agree to disagree.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:58 pm
by Siao7
Bacus wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
apples and oranges really
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:58 pm
by mikeyg123
Jezza13 wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
You tell that to the hundreds of people working in the pit lane next to cars travelling at speed a metre or two from them. If they touch and spin, god only knows what might happen.
The people in the pitlane including the ones that released Verstappen? I don't see what's gained with the penalty tbh.
Penalising a dangerous act?
If Verstappen had not have been released in a unsafe way, he'd be sitting behind Bottas right now.
No he would be behind Vettel.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:58 pm
by Asphalt_World
Bacus wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
I'd rather hit a barrier at 150mph inside the safety of an F1 car than stand in the pit lane and be struck by an F1 car at 50mph.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:58 pm
by Altair
I'll add this to my radical ideals to improve F1 thread, racing in the pit lane.
I never would have thought of it but bravo stewards
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:58 pm
by pokerman
I can't help feel that Mercedes messed up with Hamilton.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:59 pm
by Asphalt_World
mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
You tell that to the hundreds of people working in the pit lane next to cars travelling at speed a metre or two from them. If they touch and spin, god only knows what might happen.
The people in the pitlane including the ones that released Verstappen? I don't see what's gained with the penalty tbh.
Yes. if they had touched and a car had spun, all manner of people down the pit lane could have been driving in to. The pit lane should not be for racing side by side.
We shall have to agree to disagree.
Fine, but I'm shocked you'd be happy for those standing in the pit lane to be put at serious risk of major injury or worse, simply to allow racing in the pit lane!
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:59 pm
by pokerman
F1_Ernie wrote:God knows why Mercedes didn't put Hamilton on the hards, track position is king.
Totally dropped the ball.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:00 pm
by mikeyg123
pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:02 pm
by Asphalt_World
mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
I can't actually be bothered to give you a sensible response to that!. Honestly.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:02 pm
by Bacus
Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
apples and oranges really
Nah, its just exists a risk in everything. Its all about controlling the risk. In this situation there was no sight of being someone in danger by that release. And that's why it always counts the context of analyzing something. Two incidents are rarely the same.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:03 pm
by Siao7
Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
I can't actually be bothered to give you a sensible response to that!. Honestly.
+1 this is becoming a joke
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:05 pm
by F1Tyrant
Mercedes incompetence has at least increased the tension in this race.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:05 pm
by Siao7
Bacus wrote:Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
apples and oranges really
Nah, its just exists a risk in everything. Its all about controlling the risk. In this situation there was no sight of being someone in danger by that release. And that's why it always counts the context of analyzing something. Two incidents are rarely the same.
I can't see the race to know, but this is one of these situations that should be nipped in the bud, there are no half measures about the pit lane. It's the one place that the cars are next to people without any protective gear, it should not be allowed whatsoever. This is why we have the no racing rule in the first place.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:05 pm
by F1_Ernie
pokerman wrote:F1_Ernie wrote:God knows why Mercedes didn't put Hamilton on the hards, track position is king.
Totally dropped the ball.
They do it quite a lot tbh but get away with it because Ferrari are so awful. Just common sense to put on the hards? I missed it, did they presume the hey was 2 stopping?
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
It's called minimising the risk.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 pm
by mikeyg123
Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
I can't actually be bothered to give you a sensible response to that!. Honestly.
It happens more often that people getting hurt from "dangerous" releases that's for sure. And yet we still have pitstops. We could easily have F1 with no pitstops if safety is the prime concern.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 pm
by Asphalt_World
We seem to be getting a lot of radio coverage from Lewis, but I bet they're all at it, asking about other drivers tyres, hard hard they're pushing etc. I didn't feel like this before recently, but I am beginning to think that radio calls should only be for massive safety issues, not tactics. Drivers should have to make their own decisions on how hard to push and not be told about the tyres on other cars.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:08 pm
by Fiki
Goodness, those blue flag rules are stupid...
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:08 pm
by pokerman
F1_Ernie wrote:pokerman wrote:F1_Ernie wrote:God knows why Mercedes didn't put Hamilton on the hards, track position is king.
Totally dropped the ball.
They do it quite a lot tbh but get away with it because Ferrari are so awful. Just common sense to put on the hards? I missed it, did they presume the hey was 2 stopping?
Yeah I'm quietly fuming here.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:09 pm
by Asphalt_World
mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
I can't actually be bothered to give you a sensible response to that!. Honestly.
It happens more often that people getting hurt from "dangerous" releases that's for sure. And yet we still have pitstops. We could easily have F1 with no pitstops if safety is the prime concern.
There is a tiny risk with cars driving one by one down the pit lane. There is significant risk with cars racing for position in the pit lane. It's simply not comparable.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 pm
by pokerman
Fiki wrote:Goodness, those blue flag rules are stupid...
Blue flags on a track were you basically can't pass is stupid, ok.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 pm
by Jezza13
pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:5 second penalty for Verstappen seems a bit lenient given the dangerous nature of the incident?
Should be nothing in my opinion. They are supposed to be racing not waiting for each other in a queue.
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
It's called minimising the risk.
I think it's called clutching at straws.
If were going to adopt that mentality then we might as well throw the rule book in the bin and call the winner the last man standing.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 pm
by Bacus
Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:pokerman wrote:
Its alright for drivers to risk their lifes by driving that fast? If we go by that.
apples and oranges really
Nah, its just exists a risk in everything. Its all about controlling the risk. In this situation there was no sight of being someone in danger by that release. And that's why it always counts the context of analyzing something. Two incidents are rarely the same.
I can't see the race to know, but this is one of these situations that should be nipped in the bud, there are no half measures about the pit lane. It's the one place that the cars are next to people without any protective gear, it should not be allowed whatsoever. This is why we have the no racing rule in the first place.
We have to disagree with that. I rarely am in favor of something black/white, because rarely it is that case to be that simple.
In a larger perspective this was the approach that got F1 to be the way it is today. Because they didn't want to think outside the box and just created dull, sterile rules.
(Of course someone would say that this doesn't have any relevance, but anyway)
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:16 pm
by Siao7
Bacus wrote:Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:Siao7 wrote:Bacus wrote:
apples and oranges really
Nah, its just exists a risk in everything. Its all about controlling the risk. In this situation there was no sight of being someone in danger by that release. And that's why it always counts the context of analyzing something. Two incidents are rarely the same.
I can't see the race to know, but this is one of these situations that should be nipped in the bud, there are no half measures about the pit lane. It's the one place that the cars are next to people without any protective gear, it should not be allowed whatsoever. This is why we have the no racing rule in the first place.
We have to disagree with that. I rarely am in favor of something black/white, because rarely it is that case to be that simple.
In a larger perspective this was the approach that got F1 to be the way it is today. Because they didn't want to think outside the box and just created dull, sterile rules.
(Of course someone would say that this doesn't have any relevance, but anyway)
We shall disagree. We are not talking about blue flags or cutting a corner. This is for safety and there's no way of cutting corners with this.
Anyway, I don't want to get more off topic (if there's a topic in the racing thread!)
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:16 pm
by pokerman
I wish Hamilton would stop moaning
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:17 pm
by Asphalt_World
pokerman wrote:I wish Hamilton would stop moaning
He does come across as someone who moans a lot during races. However, he seems to often the lion's share of TV radio coverage. I'm sure they're all at it.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:17 pm
by F1Tyrant
The team should just tell Lewis to stay out, puncture be damned.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:18 pm
by Asphalt_World
Is it going to be like China 2007 all over again for Lewis!
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:19 pm
by Siao7
Asphalt_World wrote:Is it going to be like China 2007 all over again for Lewis!
I hope not. But looks like it's going that way
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:20 pm
by mikeyg123
Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:
So it's alright for someone to get hurt in the pit lane?
I don't know. Is it alright when someone gets hurt in the pitlane during a routine stop?
I can't actually be bothered to give you a sensible response to that!. Honestly.
It happens more often that people getting hurt from "dangerous" releases that's for sure. And yet we still have pitstops. We could easily have F1 with no pitstops if safety is the prime concern.
There is a tiny risk with cars driving one by one down the pit lane. There is significant risk with cars racing for position in the pit lane. It's simply not comparable.
I believe it is.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:20 pm
by F1Tyrant
Siao7 wrote:I hope not. But looks like it's going that way
I'd rather that then a repeat of 2015 Monaco where Hamilton diva'd his way to a pit stop.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:20 pm
by pokerman
F1Tyrant wrote:The team should just tell Lewis to stay out, puncture be damned.
Does Hamilton not realise that if he pits then he loses the race, why does he never learn these things?
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:22 pm
by F1Tyrant
pokerman wrote:Does Hamilton not realise that if he pits then he loses the race, why does he never learn these things?
I wonder if Hamilton would prefer 12 guaranteed point to risking losing 25 points.
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:22 pm
by pokerman
Also why don't Mercedes tell Hamilton that if he pits then he loses the race?
Re: 2019 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:22 pm
by da4an1qu1
I don't understand at all why they pitted Ricciardo under the safety car... they were not on the leaders pace, and track position is vital here... i am completely baffled and annoyed.