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Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:48 pm
by UnlikeUday
For me,

Bottas, Kimi & Perez

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:53 pm
by mcdo
Bottas, Perez, Kimi - pits to points was a great result

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:56 pm
by mikeyg123
Perez, Gasly and Kimi.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:16 pm
by Zoue
Perez and Kimi for me. I'm guessing the Leclerc votes are emotionally driven as I don't see what he did today that merited DotD. His strategy didn't help of course but he was going to finish more than 30s behind his team mate whatever happened, which isn't great. Not sure what Vettel did to deserve a vote, either. By his own admission he had a really poor first stint.

honourable mention for Max - I thought he was superb pre-VSC

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:17 pm
by Jezza13
No it wasn't me who voted for Riccardo

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:18 pm
by pokerman
Bottas, it was there for Leclerc but he messed up yesterday and couldn't recover the situation today.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 pm
by Zoue
Jezza13 wrote:No it wasn't me who voted for Riccardo
:lol:

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:34 pm
by Altair
Jezza13 wrote:No it wasn't me who voted for Riccardo
It was me who voted for Riccardo.

At least he made the last few laps of a very boring race slightly interesting.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:45 pm
by BMWSauber84
Ricciardo would have been a contender for DOTD without that error. He had comfortably left the Hulk behind. Alas that reckless divebomb spoiled it for him.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:48 pm
by Zoue
BMWSauber84 wrote:Ricciardo would have been a contender for DOTD without that error. He had comfortably left the Hulk behind. Alas that reckless divebomb spoiled it for him.
wasn't just that error, to be fair. Reversing back onto the race track without looking in your mirrors has got to be one of the dumbest things imaginable.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:53 pm
by Jezza13
Zoue wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:Ricciardo would have been a contender for DOTD without that error. He had comfortably left the Hulk behind. Alas that reckless divebomb spoiled it for him.
wasn't just that error, to be fair. Reversing back onto the race track without looking in your mirrors has got to be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Yeah that's worthy of a penalty at the next race IMO.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:00 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
Ricciardo looked pretty good until the lockup and then that extremely poor reversing moment. Hulkenberg has finally finished this race, but i think he is quite obviously very weak here. He seriously struggled this weekend. Outqualified by Ricciardo by 0.941 in Q1 and then Ricciardo improved slightly on that time aswell in Q2. Hulkenberg qualified and finished with only the williams behind him. Probably the worse weekend he's actually finished in a very very long time.

As for the drivers of the day, I would go for Bottas, Perez and Kimi. Kimi did really well to recover from whare he started. He's certainly consistent this year. Good recovery from Stroll. He has a big weakness in qualifying, although Perez mentioned he's better than Ocon or hulkenberg recently :D (and he beat hulkenberg this time!) But he has to be given some credit for his starts. That is possible he main strength. He very often recovers many of the positions he loses in qualifying within the first lap. Good job to finish in the points although he was aided a bit.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:17 pm
by JN23
Jezza13 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:Ricciardo would have been a contender for DOTD without that error. He had comfortably left the Hulk behind. Alas that reckless divebomb spoiled it for him.
wasn't just that error, to be fair. Reversing back onto the race track without looking in your mirrors has got to be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Yeah that's worthy of a penalty at the next race IMO.
A three place grid penalty to be exact.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:22 pm
by Mercedes-Benz
I voted for Max, Perez and Kimi.

I think Max lost lot of time in soft tyres and for some reason RBR did not go for undercut. He was only some 3secs off Vettel before VSC. His pits was 1sec slower to Vettel. Vettel pitted on 11th lap and he pitted on 14th lap so that did not help either.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... u/4377855/

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:35 pm
by Black_Flag_11
Mercedes-Benz wrote:I voted for Max, Perez and Kimi.

I think Max lost lot of time in soft tyres and for some reason RBR did not go for undercut. He was only 5secs off Vettel in the end. His pits was 1sec slower to Vettel. Vettel pitted on 11th lap and he pitted on 14th lap so that did not help either.
I thought Max was brilliant, he's just been putting in quiet but stellar performances this season.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:38 pm
by Desert Storm
mcdo wrote:Bottas, Perez, Kimi - pits to points was a great result
Agree on Bottas and Perez. I'd not have Kimi in there. He got lucky with Ric and Kvyat incident and then Gasly retiring at the end of the race.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:45 pm
by Zoue
Desert Storm wrote:
mcdo wrote:Bottas, Perez, Kimi - pits to points was a great result
Agree on Bottas and Perez. I'd not have Kimi in there. He got lucky with Ric and Kvyat incident and then Gasly retiring at the end of the race.
True, although he'd made solid progress before that to be fair.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:50 pm
by BMWSauber84
I thought considering the starting positions, Perez didn't actually finish all that far ahead of Stroll really. And trust me, I don't defend Stroll lightly.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:51 pm
by Desert Storm
Zoue wrote:
Desert Storm wrote:
mcdo wrote:Bottas, Perez, Kimi - pits to points was a great result
Agree on Bottas and Perez. I'd not have Kimi in there. He got lucky with Ric and Kvyat incident and then Gasly retiring at the end of the race.
True, although he'd made solid progress before that to be fair.
The Alfa was pretty quick down the main straight, and early on in the race, Di Resta mentioned that Kimi hit 352 Kph, but he seemed to take forever to pass the Renaults and Haas'. I thought he'd be quickly behind the Maccas after his early stop, but he got passed by Ric and Stroll, and was dropping time to those ahead. Lucky to score a point today.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:23 pm
by pokerman
Jezza13 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:Ricciardo would have been a contender for DOTD without that error. He had comfortably left the Hulk behind. Alas that reckless divebomb spoiled it for him.
wasn't just that error, to be fair. Reversing back onto the race track without looking in your mirrors has got to be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Yeah that's worthy of a penalty at the next race IMO.
Apparently that's what he's getting.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:47 pm
by Paolo_Lasardi
Gasly, Bottas, and Perez

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:45 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
The votes for Leclerc are getting a bit silly now if I'm honest. Are people just voting because he's known to have been very impressive overall this season? He finished nearly 60 seconds behind vettel who didn't have a great race.... That is a considerable distance.

Take away the pit stop and give him back a generous 25 seconds, that would still be around 35 seconds behind. Take away another generous 15 or so for a slightly strange strategy and the fact he wasn't always pushing. That is still no less than 15 seconds behind Vettel. He crashed in qualifying and was very lucky to start 8th rather than 10th and was also lucky to avoid any penalties given the amount of damage he caused.

He started just 5 places behind Vettel and had the 2nd fastest car on a track that is possibly one of the easiest of the year to overtake on. And even if he hadn't pitted for fastest lap, it is still very likely he will have been over 30 seconds behind Vettel. Voting for Leclerc today would be like having far more votes for Bottas over Hamilton in Bahrain. Other than that Leclerc was far worse than Bottas was then this weekend. I just don't understand the votee for Leclerc at all. They just seem automatic sometimes. I guess it was maybe one of these things where no matter what you drive, making up positions by overtakes that are higher than you started trigger multiple votes here. In what way was he better than Verstappen, Hamilton or Vettel? All have a lot less votes than Leclerc.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:50 pm
by Zoue
TheGiantHogweed wrote:The votes for Leclerc are getting a bit silly now if I'm honest. Are people just voting because he's known to have been very impressive overall this season? He finished nearly 60 seconds behind vettel who didn't have a great race.... That is a considerable distance.

Take away the pit stop and give him back a generous 25 seconds, that would still be around 35 seconds behind. Take away another generous 15 or so for a slightly strange strategy and the fact he wasn't always pushing. That is still no less than 15 seconds behind Vettel. He crashed in qualifying and was very lucky to start 8th rather than 10th and was also lucky to avoid any penalties given the amount of damage he caused.

He started just 5 places behind Vettel and had the 2nd fastest car on a track that is possibly one of the easiest of the year to overtake on. And even if he hadn't pitted for fastest lap, it is still very likely he will have been over 30 seconds behind Vettel. Voting for Leclerc today would be like having far more votes for Bottas over Hamilton in Bahrain. Other than that Leclerc was far worse than Bottas was then this weekend. I just don't understand the votee for Leclerc at all. They just seem automatic sometimes. I guess it was maybe one of these things where no matter what you drive, making up positions by overtakes that are higher than you started trigger multiple votes here. In what way was he better than Verstappen, Hamilton or Vettel? All have a lot less votes than Leclerc.
:thumbup:

like I wrote above I suspect the votes for Leclerc are driven more by emotion than actual performance. As you've written nothing he did on Sunday warrants placing him above those who finished ahead of him

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:09 pm
by Covalent
Bottas, Max, Perez
Honorable mentions to Kimi, Lewis, Vettel and Gasly.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:15 pm
by Mort Canard
Standouts were Valtteri and Checo.

Happy for both Sainz Jr. and Norris. Hard to pic between the two. I think Lando would probably have maintained the advantage over Carlos if McLaren had not pitted him under the VSC. Hard to say.

Lewis ran a very good race but he will have to start taking Valtteri more seriously as a legitimate rival for the title.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:22 pm
by Blinky McSquinty
Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:38 pm
by Black_Flag_11
Zoue wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:The votes for Leclerc are getting a bit silly now if I'm honest. Are people just voting because he's known to have been very impressive overall this season? He finished nearly 60 seconds behind vettel who didn't have a great race.... That is a considerable distance.

Take away the pit stop and give him back a generous 25 seconds, that would still be around 35 seconds behind. Take away another generous 15 or so for a slightly strange strategy and the fact he wasn't always pushing. That is still no less than 15 seconds behind Vettel. He crashed in qualifying and was very lucky to start 8th rather than 10th and was also lucky to avoid any penalties given the amount of damage he caused.

He started just 5 places behind Vettel and had the 2nd fastest car on a track that is possibly one of the easiest of the year to overtake on. And even if he hadn't pitted for fastest lap, it is still very likely he will have been over 30 seconds behind Vettel. Voting for Leclerc today would be like having far more votes for Bottas over Hamilton in Bahrain. Other than that Leclerc was far worse than Bottas was then this weekend. I just don't understand the votee for Leclerc at all. They just seem automatic sometimes. I guess it was maybe one of these things where no matter what you drive, making up positions by overtakes that are higher than you started trigger multiple votes here. In what way was he better than Verstappen, Hamilton or Vettel? All have a lot less votes than Leclerc.
:thumbup:

like I wrote above I suspect the votes for Leclerc are driven more by emotion than actual performance. As you've written nothing he did on Sunday warrants placing him above those who finished ahead of him
He did struggle for pace on the softs but it has to be said he lost a lot of time under the VSC, could have been over 15 seconds IIRC.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:47 pm
by Zoue
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:The votes for Leclerc are getting a bit silly now if I'm honest. Are people just voting because he's known to have been very impressive overall this season? He finished nearly 60 seconds behind vettel who didn't have a great race.... That is a considerable distance.

Take away the pit stop and give him back a generous 25 seconds, that would still be around 35 seconds behind. Take away another generous 15 or so for a slightly strange strategy and the fact he wasn't always pushing. That is still no less than 15 seconds behind Vettel. He crashed in qualifying and was very lucky to start 8th rather than 10th and was also lucky to avoid any penalties given the amount of damage he caused.

He started just 5 places behind Vettel and had the 2nd fastest car on a track that is possibly one of the easiest of the year to overtake on. And even if he hadn't pitted for fastest lap, it is still very likely he will have been over 30 seconds behind Vettel. Voting for Leclerc today would be like having far more votes for Bottas over Hamilton in Bahrain. Other than that Leclerc was far worse than Bottas was then this weekend. I just don't understand the votee for Leclerc at all. They just seem automatic sometimes. I guess it was maybe one of these things where no matter what you drive, making up positions by overtakes that are higher than you started trigger multiple votes here. In what way was he better than Verstappen, Hamilton or Vettel? All have a lot less votes than Leclerc.
:thumbup:

like I wrote above I suspect the votes for Leclerc are driven more by emotion than actual performance. As you've written nothing he did on Sunday warrants placing him above those who finished ahead of him
He did struggle for pace on the softs but it has to be said he lost a lot of time under the VSC, could have been over 15 seconds IIRC.
It was over 30s before he went in for new boots. I don't see him closing that down to 15s tbh with you. The Softs just didn't last that long so I think he would have struggled

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:22 pm
by mikeyg123
Perez doing Perez things is now back winning Formula 1.5. The Racing Point isn't the best car in that midfield either.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:42 am
by UnlikeUday
mikeyg123 wrote:Perez doing Perez things is now back winning Formula 1.5. The Racing Point isn't the best car in that midfield either.
Perez was again in a spot where if any of the front runners made a mistake, he would grab the opportunity for the podium. is pace during the first four laps was great as well. Kuddos to him & Max for keeping it clean & giving each other space during the 1st two turns on the opening lap.

Stroll wasn't too bad as he gained 3 places on the 1st lap even though there wasn't any accident or no one ran wide.

RP usually does well here. The team is due for a massive upgrade in Spain so the ball will continue to roll for the team whereas Renault & Haas continue to shock with bad performances.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:23 am
by mcdo
Desert Storm wrote:
mcdo wrote:Bottas, Perez, Kimi - pits to points was a great result
Agree on Bottas and Perez. I'd not have Kimi in there. He got lucky with Ric and Kvyat incident and then Gasly retiring at the end of the race.
It's Baku, anything can happen and you have to be in it to win it. The last two GP wins there were decided by luck. Keep it clean, get yourself in the best position to benefit and see what happens. And despite starting from the pitlane Kimi legitimately beat his teammate, a Toro Rosso, a Haas, a Renault (and Russell). It gets a vote from me

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:13 am
by tootsie323
Blinky McSquinty wrote:Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.
Won't disagree with this. I could understand someone voting for Hamilton as well as for Bottas as part of a top three - but not above. Bottas beat Hamilton on merit, simple as.
Edited for spelling

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:21 am
by Covalent
Jezza13 wrote:No it wasn't me who voted for Riccardo
:lol: I'm guessing Randine.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 1:49 pm
by F1Oz
Jezza13 wrote:No it wasn't me who voted for Riccardo
lol - if he'd made the overtake on DK - and got 10th or 9th maybe

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 3:05 pm
by pokerman
Blinky McSquinty wrote:Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.
People are given 3 votes, Bottas fractionally beat Hamilton in every category and the reason Bottas was under pressure was because of Hamilton yet seemingly we want to portray Hamilton has having driven so poorly to not warrant a vote?

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 3:16 pm
by Zoue
pokerman wrote:
Blinky McSquinty wrote:Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.
People are given 3 votes, Bottas fractionally beat Hamilton in every category and the reason Bottas was under pressure was because of Hamilton yet seemingly we want to portray Hamilton has having driven so poorly to not warrant a vote?
I think using the word "poorly" gives the wrong impression. You don't have to have driven poorly in order not to get a vote. But DotD is supposed to be about special performances. Hamilton couldn't make an impression on Bottas and didn't really do anything of note, so it's a little difficult to see what was so impressive to warrant DotD.

He's not the only one, mind. Can't really see what Leclerc did to merit any votes, either, while Gasly seems to be getting votes simply for not being humiliated for once

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 4:12 pm
by pokerman
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Blinky McSquinty wrote:Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.
People are given 3 votes, Bottas fractionally beat Hamilton in every category and the reason Bottas was under pressure was because of Hamilton yet seemingly we want to portray Hamilton has having driven so poorly to not warrant a vote?
I think using the word "poorly" gives the wrong impression. You don't have to have driven poorly in order not to get a vote. But DotD is supposed to be about special performances. Hamilton couldn't make an impression on Bottas and didn't really do anything of note, so it's a little difficult to see what was so impressive to warrant DotD.

He's not the only one, mind. Can't really see what Leclerc did to merit any votes, either, while Gasly seems to be getting votes simply for not being humiliated for once
Bottas and Hamilton were close to equal, that in itself asks what was special about what Bottas did when Hamilton himself shouldn't have been considered to be in the top 3?

As it happens Bottas has 27 votes to just the 2 of Hamilton, maybe a couple of people voted for both so why the angst, also like you say Leclerc has 11 votes for doing very little but the problem is just with Hamilton and then there's the unfortunate posting history.

Re: Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:42 pm
by Zoue
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Blinky McSquinty wrote:Bottas and Perez.

Bottas was under pressure every lap, yet he drove a darn good race. He beat his team mate in every category (so just why in heck did someone vote for Hamilton?). If Leclerc was not in a position to get new tires and shoot for fastest lap, he would have also captured that too.

Perez was a beast today, incredibly impressive.
People are given 3 votes, Bottas fractionally beat Hamilton in every category and the reason Bottas was under pressure was because of Hamilton yet seemingly we want to portray Hamilton has having driven so poorly to not warrant a vote?
I think using the word "poorly" gives the wrong impression. You don't have to have driven poorly in order not to get a vote. But DotD is supposed to be about special performances. Hamilton couldn't make an impression on Bottas and didn't really do anything of note, so it's a little difficult to see what was so impressive to warrant DotD.

He's not the only one, mind. Can't really see what Leclerc did to merit any votes, either, while Gasly seems to be getting votes simply for not being humiliated for once
Bottas and Hamilton were close to equal, that in itself asks what was special about what Bottas did when Hamilton himself shouldn't have been considered to be in the top 3?

As it happens Bottas has 27 votes to just the 2 of Hamilton, maybe a couple of people voted for both so why the angst, also like you say Leclerc has 11 votes for doing very little but the problem is just with Hamilton and then there's the unfortunate posting history.
Not sure I’m seeing this angst? Was a single comment as far as I can see