Kubica: "I've silenced my doubters". Has he?

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I was a Doubter and still am
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I was a Doubter but not any more
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I wasn't a Doubter and I'm still not
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I wasn't a Doubter but I am now
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Doubter but still too early to say
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Filip wrote:Link the source, where, when he said it.

Look halfway up the page. It's there

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Zoue wrote:
Filip wrote:Link the source, where, when he said it.

Look halfway up the page. It's there


Well in articile there, there is no Kubica saying anything about silencing anybody.

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Filip wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Filip wrote:Link the source, where, when he said it.

Look halfway up the page. It's there


Well in articile there, there is no Kubica saying anything about silencing anybody.

He says he's answered those who questioned him, so I think that's pretty close.

I googled "Kubica silenced doubters" and got more than half a dozen hits on the first page alone. One of them was from the PlanetF1 home page

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pokerman wrote:
mcdo wrote:
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Mort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.

Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now too

Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.

All well and good but IMO Leclerc cost Ferrari the entire weekend. Qualy got pushed out later, the temps changed and suddenly Vettel couldn't run as fast as the Mercs anymore. He also had to switch from their preferred medium tyre to the soft to get through Q2. And here we are another Merc 1-2 later

True but who would you sign Leclerc or Kubica?

Well one of them is where you'd expect him to be on the points table, the other is behind a Red Bull :-P
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Well this thread is a total poo.

Author wants to draw a certain picture of Kubica flexing muscles, while his races are rubbish.

Kubica just said, he proven to those who claimed he couldn`t drive in F1 anymore, that is all.

Someone is bored big time, to make up such topics, seriously, and this poll....

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So 1) Claire Williams saying there was never a proven difference in the floor/chassis, 2) Russel now driving the chassis Kubica drove for the first 4 races and he's still quicker. Kubica really needs to start to turn this round.
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DOLOMITE wrote:So 1) Claire Williams saying there was never a proven difference in the floor/chassis, 2) Russel now driving the chassis Kubica drove for the first 4 races and he's still quicker. Kubica really needs to start to turn this round.

Yeah any excuses are fast running out.
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pokerman wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:So 1) Claire Williams saying there was never a proven difference in the floor/chassis, 2) Russel now driving the chassis Kubica drove for the first 4 races and he's still quicker. Kubica really needs to start to turn this round.

Yeah any excuses are fast running out.


Well... he was a great driver... but it's a shame, it's now proven you need to have 2 hands to drive at top level...

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Another Q1 and another race. George Russell outperformed Robert in both. What is it going to take for Kubica to outperform someone at something that matters this year???? :?: :?: :?:
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Mort Canard wrote:Another Q1 and another race. George Russell outperformed Robert in both. What is it going to take for Kubica to outperform someone at something that matters this year???? :?: :?: :?:

He can't. Robert Kubica is no longer an F1-caliber driver IMO. Shame that Ocon is not in that seat...

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sandman1347 wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:Another Q1 and another race. George Russell outperformed Robert in both. What is it going to take for Kubica to outperform someone at something that matters this year???? :?: :?: :?:

He can't. Robert Kubica is no longer an F1-caliber driver IMO. Shame that Ocon is not in that seat...


That is my thinking. Claire should rent that seat to Merc and get some much needed technical assistance in return.

Family pride is strong in the Williams family but what they are doing is not working and neither is Kubica.
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Kubica has been thrashed twice, beaten convincingly once and just edged out on another two occasions.

Does anyone happen to know if there were any circumstances on the much smaller gap in Bahrain and China?

It's a shame for Robert but unfortunately he isn't up to it at this level now. Still a great story that he managed to drive an F1 car again following his accident.






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Kubica make me sad because JV was finally right for once.

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The fairytale is, sadly, over. It was a great story and he's done phenomenally well to come back to F1, but the simple truth is he's just not quick enough. I'd also add that of the two drivers, Russell has been much, much more measured and composed with the comments he's made outside the car; Kubica has been the more critical and has been offering more excuses. After 2019 that'll be it for his F1 career - he'll probably go to Ferrari or somewhere in a support role, but he's not going to be racing again in F1 after the end of the year.
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:The fairytale is, sadly, over. It was a great story and he's done phenomenally well to come back to F1, but the simple truth is he's just not quick enough. I'd also add that of the two drivers, Russell has been much, much more measured and composed with the comments he's made outside the car; Kubica has been the more critical and has been offering more excuses. After 2019 that'll be it for his F1 career - he'll probably go to Ferrari or somewhere in a support role, but he's not going to be racing again in F1 after the end of the year.

I actually think Kubica is kind of lucky the car is this bad. If they were fighting in the midfield, Russel would be making Q3 and scoring points while he finishes last. This way, at least there's only one position between them, however bad the head-to-head gets.
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Altair wrote:Kubica make me sad because JV was finally right for once.

Ah yes. That is sad.

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:The fairytale is, sadly, over. It was a great story and he's done phenomenally well to come back to F1, but the simple truth is he's just not quick enough. I'd also add that of the two drivers, Russell has been much, much more measured and composed with the comments he's made outside the car; Kubica has been the more critical and has been offering more excuses. After 2019 that'll be it for his F1 career - he'll probably go to Ferrari or somewhere in a support role, but he's not going to be racing again in F1 after the end of the year.

I'm afraid there's no more that needs to be seen to concede that this is indeed the case

A post-F1 career at Ferrari has done wonders for other drivers, Kubica should pursue it if it's still available to him. Giancarlo Fisichella is still driving Ferraris in the WEC a decade after his disappointing handful of appearances in red
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I honestly still believe he deserved a chance to race again after all his hard work to get back into an F1 car. To make it to the grid again after all that he's been through is an achievement in itself and something he should be incredibly proud of.

But now, someone at Williams needs to make the tough call to take him out of a race seat and back into the reserve driver position I think. IF (and I know it's a massive if this season) Williams manage to make their car more competitive this year, I think Kubica will begin to hold them back even more......

I don't think there should be any regrets from Robert or the Williams team for giving him a chance, but they need to now bite the bullet and admit that it's not looking like it's working and do something about it.

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It's not that easy now... Williams is selling the seats for sponsor money so they can't decide alone... They actually signed complicated and combined big deal with Orlen. Orlen is a polish petrol concern that has absolutely zero interest in sponsoring Williams without Kubica in the seat. It's possible though that they will agree on termination somehow as Orlen is also totally upset about Williams and it's embarrassing for them. From what I know it's a 2 years deal, don't think it will be terminated during the season but probably will be after the 2019... There is no hope for Williams for next season anyway as they already looking at the 2021 regulation change and will not even try next year.
And in fact... for Williams it's really no difference who is in the seat, even Hamilton wouldn't score a single point in this car so they will let Kubica end the season and take the money instead of paying compensation. After all it will be good PR as they will say they gave him a real full season chance instead of dropping him after few bad races

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All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.
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Mayox wrote:It's not that easy now... Williams is selling the seats for sponsor money so they can't decide alone... They actually signed complicated and combined big deal with Orlen. Orlen is a polish petrol concern that has absolutely zero interest in sponsoring Williams without Kubica in the seat. It's possible though that they will agree on termination somehow as Orlen is also totally upset about Williams and it's embarrassing for them. From what I know it's a 2 years deal, don't think it will be terminated during the season but probably will be after the 2019... There is no hope for Williams for next season anyway as they already looking at the 2021 regulation change and will not even try next year.
And in fact... for Williams it's really no difference who is in the seat, even Hamilton wouldn't score a single point in this car so they will let Kubica end the season and take the money instead of paying compensation. After all it will be good PR as they will say they gave him a real full season chance instead of dropping him after few bad races
yeah, very good point re the money involved. I guess right now, the money is worth more than a driver that can be one place up the grid than Kubica is now, so it makes sense to keep him there from that viewpoint.

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SteveW wrote:I honestly still believe he deserved a chance to race again after all his hard work to get back into an F1 car. To make it to the grid again after all that he's been through is an achievement in itself and something he should be incredibly proud of.

But now, someone at Williams needs to make the tough call to take him out of a race seat and back into the reserve driver position I think. IF (and I know it's a massive if this season) Williams manage to make their car more competitive this year, I think Kubica will begin to hold them back even more......

I don't think there should be any regrets from Robert or the Williams team for giving him a chance, but they need to now bite the bullet and admit that it's not looking like it's working and do something about it.

I don't believe Williams can do that because Kubica's sponsors paid for the seat?
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Mayox wrote:It's not that easy now... Williams is selling the seats for sponsor money so they can't decide alone... They actually signed complicated and combined big deal with Orlen. Orlen is a polish petrol concern that has absolutely zero interest in sponsoring Williams without Kubica in the seat. It's possible though that they will agree on termination somehow as Orlen is also totally upset about Williams and it's embarrassing for them. From what I know it's a 2 years deal, don't think it will be terminated during the season but probably will be after the 2019... There is no hope for Williams for next season anyway as they already looking at the 2021 regulation change and will not even try next year.
And in fact... for Williams it's really no difference who is in the seat, even Hamilton wouldn't score a single point in this car so they will let Kubica end the season and take the money instead of paying compensation. After all it will be good PR as they will say they gave him a real full season chance instead of dropping him after few bad races

Can Williams afford to turn away the money, they would need to find another pay driver first?
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pokerman wrote:
SteveW wrote:I honestly still believe he deserved a chance to race again after all his hard work to get back into an F1 car. To make it to the grid again after all that he's been through is an achievement in itself and something he should be incredibly proud of.

But now, someone at Williams needs to make the tough call to take him out of a race seat and back into the reserve driver position I think. IF (and I know it's a massive if this season) Williams manage to make their car more competitive this year, I think Kubica will begin to hold them back even more......

I don't think there should be any regrets from Robert or the Williams team for giving him a chance, but they need to now bite the bullet and admit that it's not looking like it's working and do something about it.

I don't believe Williams can do that because Kubica's sponsors paid for the seat?
no I think you're right. I hadn't given that a thought really.

They really can't afford to be paying anyone compensation or paying back sponsor money right now just to get a better driver that still can't score a single point.

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pokerman wrote:
Mayox wrote:It's not that easy now... Williams is selling the seats for sponsor money so they can't decide alone... They actually signed complicated and combined big deal with Orlen. Orlen is a polish petrol concern that has absolutely zero interest in sponsoring Williams without Kubica in the seat. It's possible though that they will agree on termination somehow as Orlen is also totally upset about Williams and it's embarrassing for them. From what I know it's a 2 years deal, don't think it will be terminated during the season but probably will be after the 2019... There is no hope for Williams for next season anyway as they already looking at the 2021 regulation change and will not even try next year.
And in fact... for Williams it's really no difference who is in the seat, even Hamilton wouldn't score a single point in this car so they will let Kubica end the season and take the money instead of paying compensation. After all it will be good PR as they will say they gave him a real full season chance instead of dropping him after few bad races

Can Williams afford to turn away the money, they would need to find another pay driver first?


Honestly they were smart to sign the deal before the season as now who the hell would pay for this kind of seat?

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DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one
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mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(

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Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(

I think the intention was to bring him along as reserve/simulator driver again, not as a teammate
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Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(
poor sirotkin is wondering where one of his hands disappeared to.

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Altair wrote:
Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(
poor sirotkin is wondering where one of his hands disappeared to.


Did Stroll look better than Sirotkin?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Altair wrote:
Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(
poor sirotkin is wondering where one of his hands disappeared to.


Did Stroll look better than Sirotkin?
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Altair wrote:
Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(
poor sirotkin is wondering where one of his hands disappeared to.


Did Stroll look better than Sirotkin?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Altair wrote:
Mayox wrote:
mcdo wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:All that said, the sad fact is now, even if you stuck Alonso in Kubica's seat, they'd still be 18/19/20 just in a different order. So in defense of Kubica he's definitely not Williams biggest probelm right now and if he's as smart and great to work with as most articles suggest I guess it's better the devil you know for now.

Remember all that talk of Stroll moving to Force India mid-2018? And one of the interesting aspects of the rumoured move was that the Strolls wanted to bring Kubica with them. I'd love to know if there was any truth to that one


Might be true, Stroll knew Kubica's ability as he was reserve driver in 2018 and maybe he was confident he can beat him and also benefit from his experience... as brutal as it might sound it seems he's not able to beat a teammate with 2 hands :(
poor sirotkin is wondering where one of his hands disappeared to.


Did Stroll look better than Sirotkin?

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All these comments about the sponsorship money keeping him in the seat, isn't he essentially a pay driver and so he hasn't really proven anything to make it back to F1 as he isn't really doing it on merit as a non-pay driver.

For example, did people ever consider Pedro Diniz proving people that he could make it in F1 on merit? Every season he was involved, he bought his seat so I would say the answer to that question is 'no'.

Heck, I'm sure even I could make it to F1 if I stumped up enough money. Have I proved anything talentwise if I do so? Again no.

Also, didn't Kubica lose a shootout vs Sirotkin during the 2018 pre-season, a driver that turned out to be bad? That says it all really.

Yes, RK has an injured hand, but that is the basis on which RK has something to prove in the first place, since we already know a non-injured RK was good enough at this level. As far as proving he can make it at this level while being injured, he has not proven that, at least not in my eyes.

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I commend Kubica & Wlliams for trying, but I really think Claire needs to consider offering the seat to Merc and Ocon. Might be the best for the team in the long run?
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Re: Kubica: "I've silenced my doubters". Has he?

Post by Mayox »

Seanie wrote:I commend Kubica & Wlliams for trying, but I really think Claire needs to consider offering the seat to Merc and Ocon. Might be the best for the team in the long run?


Really if I were Ocon I would never ever accept this... and the fact is that drivers don't matter now, the team needs to be totally rebuilt, it will take years to dig out from this and first step should be replace of Claire... don't want to hate her too much but in every non-family company she would be already fired...

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