Kubica: "I've silenced my doubters". Has he?
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:18 pm
Kubica feels he has silenced his doubters.
Has he?
Has he?
Yeah it can be quite ambiguous?KingVoid wrote:Depends on what doubters he is talking about.
He has silenced those who thought he could never drive in F1 again.
But I don’t think he will ever be a serious competitor again. He will drive near the back for a few seasons and then disappear, IMO.
That's also a good question. If he's trying to prove that he can overcome his injury and drive an F1 car, job done. If he's trying to prove that he should have been a world champion without his accident, that's impossible to prove in a 2019 Williams.ReservoirDog wrote:I am still unsure what he's trying to prove here in F1.
I doubt if he'll ever do this. His physical limitations are sadly still prominent enough to cripple him. But he's surely inspired many more drivers who may be having similar disabilities.Mort Canard wrote:When he beats George Russell, I will say he has proved something. Not a whole lot, but he will have proved something.
Robert has not even out-qualified Russell yet this year.
Few seasons means 2 at least. Let him complete one at the back, first.KingVoid wrote: He has silenced those who thought he could never drive in F1 again.
But I don’t think he will ever be a serious competitor again. He will drive near the back for a few seasons and then disappear, IMO.
The below article from Racefans.net indicates he was talking about his physical ability to do an F1 raceKingVoid wrote:Depends on what doubters he is talking about.
He has silenced those who thought he could never drive in F1 again.
But I don’t think he will ever be a serious competitor again. He will drive near the back for a few seasons and then disappear, IMO.
To be fair he has come damn closeMort Canard wrote:When he beats George Russell, I will say he has proved something. Not a whole lot, but he will have proved something.
Robert has not even out-qualified Russell yet this year.
Yeah that is quite scary to think that they can't even replicate another car's characteristics using the exact same parts. They are in bigger trouble than I thought. Or is it just a faulty chassis that needs to be swapped? But yeah, Kubica might be faster than Russell.Mayox wrote:The only thing that can be silenced in 2019 Williams is a driver hope...
I'm not sure how many of the rumors are true but if even Williams engineers and Russell admitted the fact that Williams cars are giving totally different telemetry data on the same settings then it's really hard to judge. He was within half a tenth to Russell in quali in last 2 races which I would say it's not bad at all with one hand and after 8 years of break. Also Russell is not a Stroll or Sirotkin, he might be well on the Leclerc level or higher based on the lower series, he just can't show it for obvious reason. The rumor was also that in free practice in China Williams switched the floor and front wing in the cars and Kubica was faster in both sessions with Russell's parts.
You can't compare Russell and Kubica. Williams have confirmed their cars are doing completely different things.Jenson's Understeer wrote:He's shown he can make it back to F1, which in itself is a massive, massive achievement, and one he should be incredibly proud of. A lot of people would've given up a long time ago. Anyone who doubted that would be the case has been proven wrong.
But let's be honest, in terms of performance he's slower than a rookie. Yes, George Russell may go onto have an exceptional F1 career, and I'm by no means belittling George Russell (anyone who posts regularly on here knows I follow the feeder series and am fully aware of Russell's talent). But the fact is Kubica's yet to show anything to suggest he'd ever be able to reach the level he was at prior to his accident, and of the two drivers has seemed the more frustrated and the more likely to start criticising the team. I'd be quite surprised if he's at Williams next year as I think he'll leave the team (probably end up as a reserve/development driver at Ferrari) and I wouldn't be overly shocked if he didn't even make it to the end of 2019.
Have they said why? It might be that they are just trying different things out.mikeyg123 wrote:You can't compare Russell and Kubica. Williams have confirmed their cars are doing completely different things.Jenson's Understeer wrote:He's shown he can make it back to F1, which in itself is a massive, massive achievement, and one he should be incredibly proud of. A lot of people would've given up a long time ago. Anyone who doubted that would be the case has been proven wrong.
But let's be honest, in terms of performance he's slower than a rookie. Yes, George Russell may go onto have an exceptional F1 career, and I'm by no means belittling George Russell (anyone who posts regularly on here knows I follow the feeder series and am fully aware of Russell's talent). But the fact is Kubica's yet to show anything to suggest he'd ever be able to reach the level he was at prior to his accident, and of the two drivers has seemed the more frustrated and the more likely to start criticising the team. I'd be quite surprised if he's at Williams next year as I think he'll leave the team (probably end up as a reserve/development driver at Ferrari) and I wouldn't be overly shocked if he didn't even make it to the end of 2019.
They can't work out why. It's quite bizarre. They've crossed parts in practice and testing and confirmed they seem to make the car behave completely differently.JN23 wrote:Have they said why? It might be that they are just trying different things out.mikeyg123 wrote:You can't compare Russell and Kubica. Williams have confirmed their cars are doing completely different things.Jenson's Understeer wrote:He's shown he can make it back to F1, which in itself is a massive, massive achievement, and one he should be incredibly proud of. A lot of people would've given up a long time ago. Anyone who doubted that would be the case has been proven wrong.
But let's be honest, in terms of performance he's slower than a rookie. Yes, George Russell may go onto have an exceptional F1 career, and I'm by no means belittling George Russell (anyone who posts regularly on here knows I follow the feeder series and am fully aware of Russell's talent). But the fact is Kubica's yet to show anything to suggest he'd ever be able to reach the level he was at prior to his accident, and of the two drivers has seemed the more frustrated and the more likely to start criticising the team. I'd be quite surprised if he's at Williams next year as I think he'll leave the team (probably end up as a reserve/development driver at Ferrari) and I wouldn't be overly shocked if he didn't even make it to the end of 2019.
But my question is then if they end up in a situation next year where they can only keep one of them, how do they decide who to keep if their cars are different.
Yeah you are probably right about whoever pays the most money, unfortunately.mikeyg123 wrote:They can't work out why. It's quite bizarre. They've crossed parts in practice and testing and confirmed they seem to make the car behave completely differently.JN23 wrote:Have they said why? It might be that they are just trying different things out.mikeyg123 wrote:You can't compare Russell and Kubica. Williams have confirmed their cars are doing completely different things.Jenson's Understeer wrote:He's shown he can make it back to F1, which in itself is a massive, massive achievement, and one he should be incredibly proud of. A lot of people would've given up a long time ago. Anyone who doubted that would be the case has been proven wrong.
But let's be honest, in terms of performance he's slower than a rookie. Yes, George Russell may go onto have an exceptional F1 career, and I'm by no means belittling George Russell (anyone who posts regularly on here knows I follow the feeder series and am fully aware of Russell's talent). But the fact is Kubica's yet to show anything to suggest he'd ever be able to reach the level he was at prior to his accident, and of the two drivers has seemed the more frustrated and the more likely to start criticising the team. I'd be quite surprised if he's at Williams next year as I think he'll leave the team (probably end up as a reserve/development driver at Ferrari) and I wouldn't be overly shocked if he didn't even make it to the end of 2019.
But my question is then if they end up in a situation next year where they can only keep one of them, how do they decide who to keep if their cars are different.
Sadly they probably keep whoever pays them the most money.
The heritage was actually not fulfilled because he got injured when he was 25, I see it more as unfinished business but if his injuries will not allow that then he will get a pass much like Schumacher did.Lt. Drebin wrote:I pity him. His heritage was solid and well established, now he is moldering his heritage. For what?
Not in the leastLt. Drebin wrote:I pity him. His heritage was solid and well established, now he is moldering his heritage. For what?
Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
Charles has at least one in the doubters column and a ton of points in his column from positively giddy team red fans.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
It was actually money that got him back into F1.Badgeronimous wrote:The fact he has managed to get back to F1 is a measure of his talent, even if it was a shadow of where it was and a fraction of what it potentially would have become.
However, the signs are Kubica is not a top level driver any more and may actually be one of the slowest on the grid - although the Williams is so bad relative to the rest of the teams, it makes that assessment have a lot of assumption, and probably isn't entirely fair.
Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
Might well warrant it's own thread actually!!mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
No. It's a measure of the size of his wallet, and the surgeons who worked on him arm. Got tits all to do with his talent.Badgeronimous wrote:The fact he has managed to get back to F1 is a measure of his talent, even if it was a shadow of where it was and a fraction of what it potentially would have become.
However, the signs are Kubica is not a top level driver any more and may actually be one of the slowest on the grid - although the Williams is so bad relative to the rest of the teams, it makes that assessment have a lot of assumption, and probably isn't entirely fair.
All well and good but IMO Leclerc cost Ferrari the entire weekend. Qualy got pushed out later, the temps changed and suddenly Vettel couldn't run as fast as the Mercs anymore. He also had to switch from their preferred medium tyre to the soft to get through Q2. And here we are another Merc 1-2 laterpokerman wrote:Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
Tbh I think switching to the Softs did Vettel a favour. The medium was definitely the wrong tyre to start onmcdo wrote:All well and good but IMO Leclerc cost Ferrari the entire weekend. Qualy got pushed out later, the temps changed and suddenly Vettel couldn't run as fast as the Mercs anymore. He also had to switch from their preferred medium tyre to the soft to get through Q2. And here we are another Merc 1-2 laterpokerman wrote:Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
True but who would you sign Leclerc or Kubica?mcdo wrote:All well and good but IMO Leclerc cost Ferrari the entire weekend. Qualy got pushed out later, the temps changed and suddenly Vettel couldn't run as fast as the Mercs anymore. He also had to switch from their preferred medium tyre to the soft to get through Q2. And here we are another Merc 1-2 laterpokerman wrote:Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.
Yeah I'd go with that.Zoue wrote:Tbh I think switching to the Softs did Vettel a favour. The medium was definitely the wrong tyre to start onmcdo wrote:All well and good but IMO Leclerc cost Ferrari the entire weekend. Qualy got pushed out later, the temps changed and suddenly Vettel couldn't run as fast as the Mercs anymore. He also had to switch from their preferred medium tyre to the soft to get through Q2. And here we are another Merc 1-2 laterpokerman wrote:Well at least Leclerc was fast before he crashed, Kubica yet again trailing his teammate.mcdo wrote:Time for your Leclerc doubter stats now tooMort Canard wrote:Q1 at Baku. Kubica the wall!!
Doubters 1, Kubica 0.