2019 Bahrain Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:18 pm
I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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Absolutely agree! Was listening to a WTF1 podcast about the time they used the endurance circuit here in 2010. Remember that? That was awful.Exediron wrote: I'm looking forward to this one, as always. In the spirit of the unpopular opinions thread, I think Bahrain is one of the three best tracks on the calendar for producing good racing.
Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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Trouble is, even when not worried about tyre wear may not really be racing.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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I'd prefer the drivers to race hard and harder tyres are a step in the right direction there as far as I'm concerned. But as long as they have to conserve components in the way they do they'll be keeping the pushing to a minimumpokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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Well they tip toe even more when the tyres are too soft.mikeyg123 wrote:Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
Easy one stop
In all seriousness why can't we have some races with high tyre deg and others with low tyre deg? Variety is the spice of life.pokerman wrote:Well they tip toe even more when the tyres are too soft.mikeyg123 wrote:Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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By coincidence I've just watched the Bahrain 2007 GP and they were setting fastest laps throughout the race, I think I prefer that kind of racing to watching tyre management.mikeyg123 wrote:In all seriousness why can't we have some races with high tyre deg and others with low tyre deg? Variety is the spice of life.pokerman wrote:Well they tip toe even more when the tyres are too soft.mikeyg123 wrote:Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote: I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.
If it's about who can get to the end in the shortest time, yes. Racing does not equal pushing flat out for an entire race. That's a very specific kind of race, which is a sprint.pokerman wrote:It's actually creeped into MotoGP now were on some tracks they potter around for the first two thirds of the race and then when they are confident that the tyres will last to the end of the race then start to actually race, is that racing?
Problem is they have to conserve tyres, fuel and engines. Maybe now the tyres can last longer and hopefully not destroyed after closely following another car for a single lap.pokerman wrote:Well they tip toe even more when the tyres are too soft.mikeyg123 wrote:Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote:I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.KingVoid wrote:Tyres are too hard.
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It's only understandable because the current engines are so expensive. But if you could spend $30M and get three engines per year that are technical miracles, or $30M and get 30 engines per year that are not quite so advanced, then I know which one would produce the better racing and allow the drivers to push more.Swiss1 wrote:Problem is they have to conserve tyres, fuel and engines. Maybe now the tyres can last longer and hopefully not destroyed after closely following another car for a single lap.pokerman wrote:Well they tip toe even more when the tyres are too soft.mikeyg123 wrote:Both. As it is now they all tiptoe round to make a one stop work anyway.pokerman wrote:Do we want the drivers to race hard or tip toe around?mikeyg123 wrote: I think we just have to except that's the way it is now.
From a cost point of view limiting the engines is understandable, but not good for the sport. Fuel as well, in the end the more fuel you use the more you must carry, should be up to the teams to decide which route to take.
well that's one way of looking at it. Another is that the more fragile tyres we have had in recent years have meant that drivers can't afford to get caught in too much turbulent air behind another car as this accelerates the deterioration of the tyres. Less degradeable tyres mean the drivers don't have to manage them quite so much and can afford to push more when needed.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:tyres too hard. canada 2010 was awesome hence pirelli were tasked with making softer tyres. some of the best racing recently were high deg races as it gives a bigger differential between cars depending on how they manage tyres, new v old etc. undercut more powerful but risk running out at the end. far more interesting strategy for me.
f1 has always generally been win in the slowest time possible. if you give them hard tyres yes they can push more but in effect all they are doing is lapping a bit faster. the aero still wont let them get close without drs. but with that you get a reduction in the differential between cars hence it makes it even worse. and we get boring 1 stoppers.
So unnecessary. Overtaking is going to be a joke.Black_Flag_11 wrote:A 3rd drs zone has been added on the straight up to T4. Not a big fan since theres already a lot of action into that corner.
Agree, degradation is good, but then you can't follow another car without destroying your tyres. So not sure what the solution is. Prefer them being able to race push hard, but needs more than just the right tyres to do so.Zoue wrote:well that's one way of looking at it. Another is that the more fragile tyres we have had in recent years have meant that drivers can't afford to get caught in too much turbulent air behind another car as this accelerates the deterioration of the tyres. Less degradeable tyres mean the drivers don't have to manage them quite so much and can afford to push more when needed.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:tyres too hard. canada 2010 was awesome hence pirelli were tasked with making softer tyres. some of the best racing recently were high deg races as it gives a bigger differential between cars depending on how they manage tyres, new v old etc. undercut more powerful but risk running out at the end. far more interesting strategy for me.
f1 has always generally been win in the slowest time possible. if you give them hard tyres yes they can push more but in effect all they are doing is lapping a bit faster. the aero still wont let them get close without drs. but with that you get a reduction in the differential between cars hence it makes it even worse. and we get boring 1 stoppers.
When the leaders are lapping no quicker than the back markers then I fail to see how it's a race.Exediron wrote:If it's about who can get to the end in the shortest time, yes. Racing does not equal pushing flat out for an entire race. That's a very specific kind of race, which is a sprint.pokerman wrote:It's actually creeped into MotoGP now were on some tracks they potter around for the first two thirds of the race and then when they are confident that the tyres will last to the end of the race then start to actually race, is that racing?
True blue as FP1 in Bahrain is 1 of the most unrepresentative sessions on the F1 calendar!Zoue wrote:Interesting leaderboard. I can't help but feel there's a lot more to come from more than one team. McLaren within 2-3 tenths of Verstappen's Red Bull doesn't feel representative to me!
Yes good point, I did forget that. Singapore FP1 too.UnlikeUday wrote:True blue as FP1 in Bahrain is 1 of the most unrepresentative sessions on the F1 calendar!Zoue wrote:Interesting leaderboard. I can't help but feel there's a lot more to come from more than one team. McLaren within 2-3 tenths of Verstappen's Red Bull doesn't feel representative to me!
Yes. Night sessions will be cooler & maybe windier as well. A big difference between FP1 & FP2 which won't prove handy to most teams.Johnson wrote:Yes good point, I did forget that. Singapore FP1 too.UnlikeUday wrote:True blue as FP1 in Bahrain is 1 of the most unrepresentative sessions on the F1 calendar!Zoue wrote:Interesting leaderboard. I can't help but feel there's a lot more to come from more than one team. McLaren within 2-3 tenths of Verstappen's Red Bull doesn't feel representative to me!
All other sessions are at night now aren't they?
Agreed, but Hamilton 1.2 sec slower than Leclerc? Not buying it, not just yet anyway. I agree that Ferrari looks better here so far compared to Aus.sandman1347 wrote:Too early to draw conclusions but I think Ferrari fans can breath a sigh of relief. Australia has once again just been a bogey track for them. They are clearly much stronger here in relation to their rivals than they were in Melbourne. Not saying they will necessarily lock out the front row but, at the very least, things will be much more competitive in qualifying.
Option or Prime wrote:Renault in front of Red Bull in FP2, not sure what happened to Ricciardo though! Ferrari look quick but if temperatures in Melbourne did them can they last in Bahrain?
Horner said that they missed the window with the soft tyres, plus Max had a scruffy first sector.Option or Prime wrote:Renault in front of Red Bull in FP2, not sure what happened to Ricciardo though! Ferrari look quick but if temperatures in Melbourne did them can they last in Bahrain?
My impression is that the gap is larger than it will be come qualifying. Possibly 2-3/10ths by thenSiao7 wrote:This looks a little bit more like it. Not sure if Merc is sandbagging, but Ferrari seems to have improved indeed
0.6sec is not a huge gap though.JN23 wrote:My impression is that the gap is larger than it will be come qualifying. Possibly 2-3/10ths by thenSiao7 wrote:This looks a little bit more like it. Not sure if Merc is sandbagging, but Ferrari seems to have improved indeed