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Ouch!


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Congrats to Marc! Boring race today but a totally dominant season. So far he has finished first or second in every race except for the crash at COTA (a race where he was dominating). His form is just untouchable when you look at the relative inconsistency of all of his "rivals". The likes of Rins and Vinales can't seem to string together 2 good races and Dovi is all over the place too. Rossi is a spent force and, in general, there doesn't seem to be anyone who is a match for Marc. Kind of like Loeb in his day.

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It's been a fun season to watch for me, as I don't share the opinion that many people have, that the races are not exciting unless there are four people vying for victory on the last lap, at least in the GP class. If that is what these folks desire, Moto 3 delivers it nearly every race. That's not a shot at anyone here in general, just a consensus I see regularly online on other websites I go to. We've seen numerous last lap battles this year---more than I can remember, actually, in a long time. Rins over Marquez in Silverstone, Dovi over Rins in Austria, Petrucci over Marquez and Dovi in Mugello, Marquez over Fabio in Thailand and in San Marino. I was thrilled with those finishes, all that went down to the last lap, some to the last corner!!.

Regarding everyone one else besides #93, it's been tough to not seem them measuring up consistently, I certainly agree. Rins is probably the largest disappointment, as his crashing out of races, some while in the lead, have been painful to watch. I like the guy, but he just can't do that, he's not a rookie anymore. Vinales has rode well as of late, collecting several podiums but not quick enough to challenge Marquez for any wins; his issues are mystifying where he slows down in the middle of the race, and then rides like a demon at the end, only to be too far away to make up the ground he loses. Rossi is aging and slowing, Dovi has been robbed twice this year of races he looked to figure in, being taken out by FQ in England and Lorenzo in Spain when he was at the front. But...he's also had races when he couldn't compete. Quartararo looks to be the only person that can step up the challenge to Marquez at the moment. So----hopefully Yamaha has the decency next year to give him the A-spec bike with full revs and something similar to the factory guys, minus the latest updates. If they do that, hopefully he'll continue to contend like he has. Makes Vinales, and especially Rossi, look bad, though. Morbidelli is a good rider, but he hasn't figured in the picture to the extent that he needs to.

Next year I hope it won't be the same as this year, but it could be, as nearly everyone returns on the same motorcycle. it'll be interesting to see who will get the KTM seat that was vacated by Zarco. I'd love to see Aleix get it, he deserves a better ride than the crappy Aprilia he's on.
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Cold Gin wrote:It's been a fun season to watch for me, as I don't share the opinion that many people have, that the races are not exciting unless there are four people vying for victory on the last lap, at least in the GP class. If that is what these folks desire, Moto 3 delivers it nearly every race. That's not a shot at anyone here in general, just a consensus I see regularly online on other websites I go to. We've seen numerous last lap battles this year---more than I can remember, actually, in a long time. Rins over Marquez in Silverstone, Dovi over Rins in Austria, Petrucci over Marquez and Dovi in Mugello, Marquez over Fabio in Thailand and in San Marino. I was thrilled with those finishes, all that went down to the last lap, some to the last corner!!.

Regarding everyone one else besides #93, it's been tough to not seem them measuring up consistently, I certainly agree. Rins is probably the largest disappointment, as his crashing out of races, some while in the lead, have been painful to watch. I like the guy, but he just can't do that, he's not a rookie anymore. Vinales has rode well as of late, collecting several podiums but not quick enough to challenge Marquez for any wins; his issues are mystifying where he slows down in the middle of the race, and then rides like a demon at the end, only to be too far away to make up the ground he loses. Rossi is aging and slowing, Dovi has been robbed twice this year of races he looked to figure in, being taken out by FQ in England and Lorenzo in Spain when he was at the front. But...he's also had races when he couldn't compete. Quartararo looks to be the only person that can step up the challenge to Marquez at the moment. So----hopefully Yamaha has the decency next year to give him the A-spec bike with full revs and something similar to the factory guys, minus the latest updates. If they do that, hopefully he'll continue to contend like he has. Makes Vinales, and especially Rossi, look bad, though. Morbidelli is a good rider, but he hasn't figured in the picture to the extent that he needs to.

Next year I hope it won't be the same as this year, but it could be, as nearly everyone returns on the same motorcycle. it'll be interesting to see who will get the KTM seat that was vacated by Zarco. I'd love to see Aleix get it, he deserves a better ride than the crappy Aprilia he's on.
Agree with all that. An odd season and not the one I was expecting/hoping for. Main disappointment has been the lack of Marquez v Lorenzo action which I was really hoping to see. Turned out to be a total non-event.

Problem is there are some great riders there but none of the outright pace and consistency to challenge Marquez every weekend. It's like Hamilton/Bottas. On his day Bottas can do it, but that's followed by 3 weekends where he just can't keep up. And that's why the titles will keep going Marquez's way.
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Dolomite I share in your consternation about the Marquez v. Lorenzo battle that hasn't been one at all. I am a fan of Lorenzo, and it's painful to watch him flounder on the Honda, although to be fair, this year has been difficult to judge him as he's been injured nearly the entire year. The spine injuries are very serious, and it has to have put doubt and fear in his mind, at least in my opinion.

That being said, it is shocking to see him so far off the pace. I can't for the life of me think he's lost his talent and ability in one year, as when things were working on the Ducati, he was very fast as we all saw last year. I'm so bummed that relationship didn't work out, I think we'd all much rather he'd have stayed there then see what we are seeing with Petrucci.

Next yeari is it for Lorenzo---he has got to show the form that we all know he has. If he doesn't, what a sad way to end his career, getting clobbered by Marquez, and everyone else. He's a great champion with a storied career. I can't imagine him ending it like this. Frankly, Honda needs to step up and provide some solutions to his issues also. He's not the only Honda rider complaining about the bike, and it honestly elevates Marquez to even larger Rock Star status, as it is obviously not the easiest bike to ride, yet he's killing everyone with it.

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I'd rather die than be overtaken.

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https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp ... placement/

Zarco to stand in at LCR Honda for Takkagami for the 3 final races of the season, as he undergoes surgery on his shoulder.

Interesting!
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Wow....just, wow.
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Cold Gin wrote:Wow....just, wow.
What's wow, just wow?
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Vinales putting it in the gravel with a half a lap left to go in the Australin GP----I thought he was going to overtake Marquez and was rooting for him to do it, then that happened. Was bummed!

Great race, though.
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Cold Gin wrote:Vinales putting it in the gravel with a half a lap left to go in the Australin GP----I thought he was going to overtake Marquez and was rooting for him to do it, then that happened. Was bummed!

Great race, though.
Well the hairpin was the only place he was going to pass and Marquez covered that off quite quickly, so the dive bomb pass became nowhere to go as soon as it was attempted.
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Well that was clever Marquez. Spent all qually trying to intimidate Quartararo and ended up face planting the tarmac. Now at the medical centre.


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shoot999 wrote:Well that was clever Marquez. Spent all qually trying to intimidate Quartararo and ended up face planting the tarmac. Now at the medical centre.


https://twitter.com/box_repsol/status/1 ... ers.com%2F
He was merely trying to get a tow from the fastest rider/bike, however I rather don't condone this type of riding and Marquez got payback for the car and mouse shenanigans that left his tyres too cold and the bike high sided him.
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Glad to see Vinales competitive. Hopefully Yamaha can improve the engine for next year as I think hes the only rider who can challenge Marquez for a title

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Marquez's opening lap... Oh my word. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that in motogp. The combination of ability, absolute confidence and sheer balls must be demoralising for the other riders.

Good to Vinales keeping it together and Rossi being punchy.
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DOLOMITE wrote:Marquez's opening lap... Oh my word. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that in motogp. The combination of ability, absolute confidence and sheer balls must be demoralising for the other riders.

Good to Vinales keeping it together and Rossi being punchy.
To think he nearly injured himself trying to get a tow so he could get a better starting position, why bother when you can go from 11th to 3rd in one lap, in fact I believe he was recorded as being 2nd across the start line before being re-passed by Miller.
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Official: Jorge Lorenzo retires from MotoGP following Valencia Finale.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/93364 ... nt-updated


I'm crushed as is one of my favorite riders, but it makes sense, and surely the nasty spate of crashes has probably created such a vacuum of doubt in his mind he'd have never gotten over on the Honda. I will miss him greatly, but respect him fully for making what was probably a very arduous decision. Thank you for the memories, Champion.
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Cold Gin wrote:Official: Jorge Lorenzo retires from MotoGP following Valencia Finale.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/93364 ... nt-updated


I'm crushed as is one of my favorite riders, but it makes sense, and surely the nasty spate of crashes has probably created such a vacuum of doubt in his mind he'd have never gotten over on the Honda. I will miss him greatly, but respect him fully for making what was probably a very arduous decision. Thank you for the memories, Champion.
Concur with your sentiments. I remember seeing him at Donington when he first entered the sport. A unique and exciting style. A shame it ended this way.

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Cold Gin wrote:Official: Jorge Lorenzo retires from MotoGP following Valencia Finale.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/93364 ... nt-updated


I'm crushed as is one of my favorite riders, but it makes sense, and surely the nasty spate of crashes has probably created such a vacuum of doubt in his mind he'd have never gotten over on the Honda. I will miss him greatly, but respect him fully for making what was probably a very arduous decision. Thank you for the memories, Champion.
Concur with your sentiments. I remember seeing him at Donington when he first entered the sport. A unique and exciting style. A shame it ended this way.
To me it looked like after several injuries he became too scared of crashing and thus finding the limit, he has form for this, after getting badly injured in the wet in 2013 he then seemed not have any confidence in those kind of conditions.

I guess this then means that Zarco will get signed up by Honda for next year?
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That's a shame but from what we saw this year, the right call. Loved watching him ride when he was in the groove. Always felt he should have one of those lower back name decals (like Rossi 'The Doctor') saying The Metronome.
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Not sure Crutchlow shouldn't get the nod before Zarco, and Zarco could then go to LCR, if they rated him, which they might. He's been doing a good job on Takaa's bike, especially last week.

There could be some other names out there. It's an exciting yet daunting opportunity at the same time. Getting crushed by Marquez, which is an ever-present likelihood, would be a difficult pill to swallow for anyone, no matter who they are. So whomever fills this seat has to be a bit intimidated by the wonderkid, whether they admit it,or not.

Regarding Zarco, though----if he ends up racing for Honda either at the factory team or at LCR (should Crutchlow be promoted), he'll have pulled a masterstroke by not taking that Yamaha test role. Which I thought he should take and was idiotic to do a 3 race bit with LCR. My God how his current prospects of staying in MotoGP have improved. Meteorically.

Interesting times in MotoGP, for sure.
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On Jorge: I recall watching him race from when he was riding 250cc bikes in the mid-tier series back in the day. I was super-impressed right from the first time I saw him race. He was on a different level from the competition. Even guys like Simoncelli and Dovi were just not on his level. When he came into MotoGP he went right to the factory Yamaha team and that's where he really belonged. He was quick right away, challenged Rossi for the title in year 2 and in year 3 he had a dominant season; setting a points record for a single season.

From that point; Jorge was one of the top riders consistently up until he left Yamaha really. He challenged for titles almost every year and won a total of 3 (to add to his two 250 titles). His style of being both smooth and extremely fast and frequently dominating the races from the front was beautiful to watch. I have massive respect for him and there was a point where I felt he really didn't get the respect that he deserved for his consistency and his dominance.

With all that said, I do feel that Jorge's performance generally fell off since his last championship victory in 2015. It turned out that he was someone who struggled to adapt. Once he left Yamaha, he was never able to be competitive consistently, despite the fact that he was always on competitive bikes. I'm not sure how that impacts his legacy but I think he's an all-time great regardless.

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Cold Gin wrote:Not sure Crutchlow shouldn't get the nod before Zarco, and Zarco could then go to LCR, if they rated him, which they might. He's been doing a good job on Takaa's bike, especially last week.

There could be some other names out there. It's an exciting yet daunting opportunity at the same time. Getting crushed by Marquez, which is an ever-present likelihood, would be a difficult pill to swallow for anyone, no matter who they are. So whomever fills this seat has to be a bit intimidated by the wonderkid, whether they admit it,or not.

Regarding Zarco, though----if he ends up racing for Honda either at the factory team or at LCR (should Crutchlow be promoted), he'll have pulled a masterstroke by not taking that Yamaha test role. Which I thought he should take and was idiotic to do a 3 race bit with LCR. My God how his current prospects of staying in MotoGP have improved. Meteorically.

Interesting times in MotoGP, for sure.
Of course Honda value Crutchlow; he has been a fully factory contracted rider for Honda for a a number of years. But he has always been open about having no desire to go to the factory team. He has the same bike as the factory riders, and on many occasions the upgrades first so as to test them. The only difference according to him is that he has less Honda engineers and a lot less hassle.

The four in contention are the two LCR riders, Zarco, and a certain rider from Moto2. Guy named Marquez.

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I'm not convinced by Alex Marquez. Took a long time for him to take the Moto2 title and generally I think real class is apparent earlier than that..

Very much the Ralf to Marc's Michael....
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DOLOMITE wrote:I'm not convinced by Alex Marquez. Took a long time for him to take the Moto2 title and generally I think real class is apparent earlier than that..

Very much the Ralf to Marc's Michael....
Marc Marquez was a freak since he got competitive in 125s so there's no point comparing anyone to him. They changed 125s and 250s and Motogp rules to make it more competitive and he still just dominated them all. Having said that I think it's a bad idea for Alex to be in the garage as I can only see it negatively effecting Marc

I wouldn't take Zarco at all. He got poles for Yamaha but cracked whenever there was pressure and KTM has been a total disaster. However they only have to fill the seat for a year when everyone becomes available again

Quartarao was anonymous in the lower classes, Rabat was a like a machine in his title year. MotoGP is just completely different to any other series.

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Amazed Hamiltons motogp bike run is being held in Valencia in December. Valencia is freezing that time of year, can only see him having to use steel brakes and stuff then tip toeing round struggling to stay upright

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Does anyone know why it's not being held in Abu Dhabi after the F1 and whilst rossi is there doing the rally? I'm sure abu dhabi would have paid for it. I appreciate they don't want Hamilton injuring himself and a motogp is well out of his current talent range but would surely have made more sense.

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Zazu wrote:Amazed Hamiltons motogp bike run is being held in Valencia in December. Valencia is freezing that time of year, can only see him having to use steel brakes and stuff then tip toeing round struggling to stay upright

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Does anyone know why it's not being held in Abu Dhabi after the F1 and whilst rossi is there doing the rally? I'm sure abu dhabi would have paid for it. I appreciate they don't want Hamilton injuring himself and a motogp is well out of his current talent range but would surely have made more sense.
I would have thought that healing time from a potential accident would be first item on the list of nervous team bosses and insurance brokers.
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While I agree Valencia is NOT a place I'd want Hamilton to be on a MotoGP bike, Abu Dhabi with it's absurdly long straight and close barriers all over is not a place a motorcycle race should ever be run, especially considering a modern MotoGP bike easily hits 215mph, maybe more, especially on that straight.

If I were Mercedes management, I would not want my world champion driver buzzing around in excess of 200mph in Abu Dhabi.

Maybe they'd cut the revs a little bit? More than the speed, the barriers there are really close, I'd worry about him having an off and hitting the barrier.
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He's not going to be going at 215mph. He'll tip toe round like Alonso did at the Honda day a few years back. As I understand rossi will on track in the f1 car at the same tim

Seems a peculiar choice, the track temp this morning was single figures and that's only going to get worse. If they're lucky it will be dry. Just recipe for disaster

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Does Hamilton ride motorbikes on the road? If so, I'd make that far more dangerous than a closed circuit, full rescue and medical assistance on site, test run in December.
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Asphalt_World wrote:Does Hamilton ride motorbikes on the road? If so, I'd make that far more dangerous than a closed circuit, full rescue and medical assistance on site, test run in December.
He owns a motor bike and sometimes rides it into the circuit, so I would say yes.
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He has a deal with MV for a limited edition bike, I'd be very surprised if he rides at all on roads when cameras aren't there

I'm not expecting anything catastrophic but pecco Bagnaia fractured his wrist today coming out of the pits.

I don't know why I've taken such an interest in this silly pr stunt but both the F1 car and MotoGp are going to have to be adapted/dumbed down as neither will work in the conditions.

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Surprised this has garnered so much interest. Monster have been doing this sort of thing since the MS days.






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So it looks like Marquez to join Marquez at Honda according to paddock rumours.

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Shoot999---It is now official.


https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/11/ ... 020/319950


I don't know how I feel about this, but it will certainly be interesting. He's on a 1-year deal, too. That seat will get warm very quickly, I think, if he is not putting it in the top five regularly.
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Ooh that's a brave move. Very exciting for us fans though. Let's hope he can take a fight to his brother in some races, if not at first, but later in the season.
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Asphalt_World wrote:Ooh that's a brave move. Very exciting for us fans though. Let's hope he can take a fight to his brother in some races, if not at first, but later in the season.
I highly doubt that seeing his struggles in the lower classes.
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The other strong rumour; denied by all, is Miller will be in the Ducati factory team early next season with a straight swop with Petrucci

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Miller shot that one down almost immediately, and it seems unlikely, but so was Lorenzo back to Ducati in mid-season, so you never really know.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/93431 ... ti-rumours

Also, based on this article, Johann Zarco has declined to race with for the Avintia Ducati team next year, and looks to be trying to fill Alex Marquez' seat.

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I don't get the signing of Alex tbh. Who wins here? OK Alex is in MotoGP but now what? OK we can probably expect better results than Lorenzo managed (sadly) but many riders would have met that brief. Marc should have him more than covered so then what?
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