Re: Appropriate penalty for Max's actions?
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:09 pm
What did the last formula 1 driver get for punching a felĺow formula 1 driver?
No, the problem is that if Ocon didn't defuse the situation (you need great composure not to retaliate and escalate things when someone is swearing at you in your face and pushing you) then Max would have ended up in big trouble. There could have been fisticuffs and that wouldn't have ended well. Couple of years ago two drivers got banned in F3 for that, didn't they? Where would that leave him?Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
In F1 thankfully it hasn't happened for a good few decades, but in European F3 it did recently:wire2004 wrote:What did the last formula 1 driver get for punching a felĺow formula 1 driver?
Best said yet!j man wrote:Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Verstappen is a fantastic driving talent, but a terrible personality.
His attitude will cost him a title before his talent wins him one.
If this is how you see the situation you need to rethink what you know about motorsport and more importantly sportsmanship. The RULE IS that "when" a car has a "significant portion" (just the front wing alone is considered significant) on the inside of another car, the leading driver must leave a car's width of room. In this case Ocon had 75% of his car alongside and in Verstappen's field of vision and Max chose to slam the door shut as he's become accustomed to doing but this time the opposing driver had better position and was indeed faster and it was your beloved Max who caused the contact, and if you look at the incident you'd see that clear as day.RLKD wrote:The question should be "appropriate penalty for Ocon's actions?"
I can't get my head around the fact that people try to put any blame on Max and defend Ocon for this. He's got the victory stolen away from him. Ocon had no business whatsoever of going wheel to wheel with him.
The problem doesn't only lie with Max himself. His father was/is a rather arrogant personality himself so some of this is taught and instilled from a very early age and Max believes he's the all encompassing deity of F1 and all shall yield to the divine chosen one.UnlikeUday wrote:I doubt it will even scratch the surface of his over inflated ego. He's still relatively new in F1. Once he achieves success, I hope he mellows down & doesn't keep being prudent. Loved Hamilton's input to Verstappen in the cool down room. Hamilton has learnt so much with experience which Max will do as well but I hope he does.Toby. wrote:Two days of community service. How humiliating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9zgL7iyNDsALESI wrote:I never really understand this idea of unlapping yourself, unless you are massively faster and can pull a gap immediately then surely you'll be given blue flags straight away?
I think any chance of an apology went when he shoved him of the platform!Longnose wrote:What about Ocon? As far as I am aware, neither Ocon or the Force India team have not issued an apology or taken responsibility for his actions. That shows a real lack of character. Ocon was the one who caused the problem, stewards agreed, he should have taken the initiative to apologize the first chance he saw Max. That is not an insignificant thing, crashing into Max and costing him the win.
I think you are kind of missing my point. Ocon not responding to his shoves only served to undermine Max further and make him look like an even smaller individual than he already did by starting the shoving.Siao7 wrote:No, the problem is that if Ocon didn't defuse the situation (you need great composure not to retaliate and escalate things when someone is swearing at you in your face and pushing you) then Max would have ended up in big trouble. There could have been fisticuffs and that wouldn't have ended well. Couple of years ago two drivers got banned in F3 for that, didn't they? Where would that leave him?Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
And no, it's not a mountain-molehill scenario. I can't imagine how you can say this the moment it gets physical in front of the cameras? It is something that should not be tolerated. Hamilton was blasting Vettel for giving kids a bad example after Baku last year, you think that getting physical is a good example? Good grief. Yes it can happen, we're all human after all, but don't brush it under the carpet, it should be dealt with. More appropriately than the slap on the hand that he got really.
I think Max needs to control his temper before he punches someone and gets shown the door. Or worse, if he punches the wrong person...
Apologies, I probably missed your point there if that's what you meant.Alienturnedhuman wrote:I think you are kind of missing my point. Ocon not responding to his shoves only served to undermine Max further and make him look like an even smaller individual than he already did by starting the shoving.Siao7 wrote:No, the problem is that if Ocon didn't defuse the situation (you need great composure not to retaliate and escalate things when someone is swearing at you in your face and pushing you) then Max would have ended up in big trouble. There could have been fisticuffs and that wouldn't have ended well. Couple of years ago two drivers got banned in F3 for that, didn't they? Where would that leave him?Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
And no, it's not a mountain-molehill scenario. I can't imagine how you can say this the moment it gets physical in front of the cameras? It is something that should not be tolerated. Hamilton was blasting Vettel for giving kids a bad example after Baku last year, you think that getting physical is a good example? Good grief. Yes it can happen, we're all human after all, but don't brush it under the carpet, it should be dealt with. More appropriately than the slap on the hand that he got really.
I think Max needs to control his temper before he punches someone and gets shown the door. Or worse, if he punches the wrong person...
Discussing the "what ifs" of a situation that didn't happen is irrelevant. Maybe Max did want to have a punch up and Ocon Gandhied his butt, but ultimately pushing someone and shouting at them is a completely different ball park to actually throwing a punch and causing, or attempting to cause, actual harm.
It will only cause RB a problem if it happens on the track and he uses his car as a weapon. The FIA will simply get a couple of days free social education as that is the precedent.Siao7 wrote:Apologies, I probably missed your point there if that's what you meant.Alienturnedhuman wrote:I think you are kind of missing my point. Ocon not responding to his shoves only served to undermine Max further and make him look like an even smaller individual than he already did by starting the shoving.Siao7 wrote:Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
No, the problem is that if Ocon didn't defuse the situation (you need great composure not to retaliate and escalate things when someone is swearing at you in your face and pushing you) then Max would have ended up in big trouble. There could have been fisticuffs and that wouldn't have ended well. Couple of years ago two drivers got banned in F3 for that, didn't they? Where would that leave him?
And no, it's not a mountain-molehill scenario. I can't imagine how you can say this the moment it gets physical in front of the cameras? It is something that should not be tolerated. Hamilton was blasting Vettel for giving kids a bad example after Baku last year, you think that getting physical is a good example? Good grief. Yes it can happen, we're all human after all, but don't brush it under the carpet, it should be dealt with. More appropriately than the slap on the hand that he got really.
I think Max needs to control his temper before he punches someone and gets shown the door. Or worse, if he punches the wrong person...
Discussing the "what ifs" of a situation that didn't happen is irrelevant. Maybe Max did want to have a punch up and Ocon Gandhied his butt, but ultimately pushing someone and shouting at them is a completely different ball park to actually throwing a punch and causing, or attempting to cause, actual harm.
As for the last part, I respectfully disagree, this behaviour shall be nipped in the butt. It needs the tiniest spark to escalate to a full blown punching match. Again, it was only Ocon's cool that stopped this.
RB seemingly backing him up and Max's hot temper meant he went there for one reason only. And that wasn't to ask Ocon out for a beer... The fact that he left and turned back to further push Ocon says a lot.
He has a temper issue and I hope it is addressed by RB before they land into hot water. He was extremely lucky yesterday.
Longnose wrote:What about Ocon? As far as I am aware, neither Ocon or the Force India team have not issued an apology or taken responsibility for his actions. That shows a real lack of character. Ocon was the one who caused the problem, stewards agreed, he should have taken the initiative to apologize the first chance he saw Max. That is not an insignificant thing, crashing into Max and costing him the win.
I'll be honest, I'm a Max fan. His driving when he is being an entitled bullying whatnot can be outstanding, there is no doubt the talent is in there. I do however agree this was a racing incident and Ocon/FI have nothing to apologise for.F1 MERCENARY wrote:Longnose wrote:What about Ocon? As far as I am aware, neither Ocon or the Force India team have not issued an apology or taken responsibility for his actions. That shows a real lack of character. Ocon was the one who caused the problem, stewards agreed, he should have taken the initiative to apologize the first chance he saw Max. That is not an insignificant thing, crashing into Max and costing him the win.
Sorry but noooo…
Ocon did not cause "the problem" the problem was Verstappen slamming the door on a car that was completely alongside, which for some reason devout Verstappen fans seem to dismiss altogether. However, if the roles were reversed, you'd all be singing that little excerpt in the rules to the moon!
Ocon did absolutely nothing wrong and in fact, gave max ample room to get past initially and then did what ALL racers are supposed to do and set himself up to retake his position ahead of Verstappen and got himself WELL alongside where max could see Ocon's front tires nearly touching his own, yet he chose to turn in and squeeze Ocon off the track.
So therefore, neither Ocon nor Force India have anything to apologize for. If anything Max and his team should apologize to Ocon and Force India for causing so much damage to their car.
Well... I guess he did.ShaneM wrote:Max ends every social media (Twitter/ Instagram/ whatever) with #Keep Pushing...
I don't think senna got punished for punching Eddie Irvine.Vettel Fan wrote:What was the big deal? A little shove. It's not like they threw any punches.
It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
F1 MERCENARY wrote:Longnose wrote:What about Ocon? As far as I am aware, neither Ocon or the Force India team have not issued an apology or taken responsibility for his actions. That shows a real lack of character. Ocon was the one who caused the problem, stewards agreed, he should have taken the initiative to apologize the first chance he saw Max. That is not an insignificant thing, crashing into Max and costing him the win.
Sorry but noooo…
Ocon did not cause "the problem" the problem was Verstappen slamming the door on a car that was completely alongside, which for some reason devout Verstappen fans seem to dismiss altogether. However, if the roles were reversed, you'd all be singing that little excerpt in the rules to the moon!
Ocon did absolutely nothing wrong and in fact, gave max ample room to get past initially and then did what ALL racers are supposed to do and set himself up to retake his position ahead of Verstappen and got himself WELL alongside where max could see Ocon's front tires nearly touching his own, yet he chose to turn in and squeeze Ocon off the track.
So therefore, neither Ocon nor Force India have anything to apologize for. If anything Max and his team should apologize to Ocon and Force India for causing so much damage to their car.
Ocon keeps his brains with him. He's mature & knows there are cameras everywhere. Once when Max exited the weighing room, he realised all this was being recorded but the damage had been done.kleefton wrote:It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
Wait 2020!Longnose wrote:Stewards disagree, they gave Ocon the penalty, not Max. Classy thing to do would be Ocon to apologize, he was in the wrong according to the stewards. But Ocon is demonstrating his lack of class, character and integrity. Same way he whined and cried when Lance Stroll got his seat and he got nothing. He's a looser, and thats why he doesn't have a seat next year.
In the driver's press conference, he still wasn't satisfied. He called Ocon a Pu**y! He surely needs to undergo some Anger Management Therapy!ShaneM wrote:Max ends every social media (Twitter/ Instagram/ whatever) with #Keep Pushing, he clearly goes for every gap or chance he has at advancing his race/ qualifying results, and is completely unapologetic for doing so. Ocon did the same thing he would have done had the situation been reversed, and Max would have acted out just as he did yesterday (not my fault, other driver is a P**** etc...). He is a Narcasist of the highest order, and when someone gives him a dose of his own medicine he completely looses it, and immediately starts using inappropriate language, knowing he is on live TV/ Radio..... And then seeks out a physical altercation. I do everything I can to avoid being involved with these types of people in my personal and or professional life, as they are impossible to deal with, and generally have mental issue's that need to be dealt with, often times including long term therapy and medication.
Ballsy points don't count to the WDC so I don't think he'll care.kleefton wrote:It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
And the WDC doesn't involve someone treating you like a punching bag. He should have done what most athletes or men do if someone came at them in that manner.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Ballsy points don't count to the WDC so I don't think he'll care.kleefton wrote:It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
What *should* Ocon have done?
Disagree.UnlikeUday wrote:Ocon keeps his brains with him. He's mature & knows there are cameras everywhere. Once when Max exited the weighing room, he realised all this was being recorded but the damage had been done.kleefton wrote:It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
Sounds like you are describing daddy's boy Max.Longnose wrote:Stewards disagree, they gave Ocon the penalty, not Max. Classy thing to do would be Ocon to apologize, he was in the wrong according to the stewards. But Ocon is demonstrating his lack of class, character and integrity. Same way he whined and cried when Lance Stroll got his seat and he got nothing. He's a looser, and thats why he doesn't have a seat next year.
Of the current crop, I could see Magnussen chinning him if he tried thatSiao7 wrote:Can you imagine him trying this crap on Webber or Senna or any other drivers? He'd get a kicking to next week...
Ocon did the right thing and called the fia stewards over. No point risking violence and losing your career in the process. That was very mature.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Ballsy points don't count to the WDC so I don't think he'll care.kleefton wrote:It seemed violent to me. At least it invited some violence. If someone shoved me like that repeatedly, I would have no choice but to reciprocate and it would likely escalate into a fight, and I am not someone that gets into fights. I think Max wanted Ocon to fight back there, you don't shove someone that way and expect them not to fight back. Ocon didn't look good just backing off like that. Won't earn him any ballsy points, that's for sure.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Max's conduct in the weigh in room was definitely inexcusable, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it was aggressive but wasn't violent, nor was it an attempt to cause harm, it was essentially someone trying to exert dominance on another.
Max probably knows inside himself that he should have just let Ocon through (if he doesn't then he's a fool) but because he knows Ocon was more at fault for the collision he can cling to the moral superiority argument when talking about it, or presenting his position on it. The problem is, having a post race shoving match immediately undermines that, because now the discussion has shifted to being about that as well. If he'd have left it at some Liberty censored radio messages, all we'd be talking about is the collision - for which most people are putting the blame with Ocon.
Ultimately, if Vettel didn't receive anything significant for driving into Hamilton with his car, then it's difficult to justify any more than these community service days for Max. It's proportionate as well, and to be honest, Max did himself more damage to his image with his actions than any punishment as it just continues to present himself as a hot headed, self entitled youngster who needs to grow up a lot.
What *should* Ocon have done?
Lol I like magnussen, I'm not sure how hard he is though?Lojik wrote:Of the current crop, I could see Magnussen chinning him if he tried thatSiao7 wrote:Can you imagine him trying this crap on Webber or Senna or any other drivers? He'd get a kicking to next week...
Surprised to hear you say that, and while I’m kind of there with you, Verstappen is no one to go seeking out others for incidents when he has done the same before and no one sought him out to get in his immature face and let him have it. Raikkonen in particular had reason to whoop his hind quarters on multiple occasions and he completed himself rather than knock the KID’S teeth in.Blinky McSquinty wrote:What did that contact cost Verstappen? Red Bull pay poorly on annual salary, the big money is in performance bonuses. IMO it cost Verstappen approximately a million dollars. But that win was washed away, and we have a very angry young man.
Where was his team to protect him from his own anger and stupidity? Anyone with half a brain could see that he was seething and going to do something stupid.
I do not condone any violence, but to see Verstappen stand up for what he thought were his rights is actually refreshing in this politically correct world. Then again, I watched George Follmer pop Jackie Oliver in the nose and knock him on his butt.
And understand this ... all drivers are selfish self-absorbed jerks. You must have that in your makeup to be able to force yourself to these heights in driving.
You don't tell Nico Hulkenburg to "suck my ......" without being able to back it up. At 0.40secf1madman wrote:Lol I like magnussen, I'm not sure how hard he is though?Lojik wrote:Of the current crop, I could see Magnussen chinning him if he tried thatSiao7 wrote:Can you imagine him trying this crap on Webber or Senna or any other drivers? He'd get a kicking to next week...