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Thats a stunning blue as well!

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No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
No idea about relative pace, but Super GTs are absolutely purpose built racing cars. Have a look at the NSX tub.Exediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
Not under the body panels they're not. Both Super GT and DTM are purpose built race cars with loads of downforce and super-light chassis.Exediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
Super GT and DTM have essentially been the same spec since 2017mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
Ah, so they're more of a NASCAR type thing - looks like a road car, isn't one. Thanks for the info!sandman1347 wrote:Not under the body panels they're not. Both Super GT and DTM are purpose built race cars with loads of downforce and super-light chassis.Exediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
Exediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
No definitely not on par with an LMP.Exediron wrote:Ah, so they're more of a NASCAR type thing - looks like a road car, isn't one. Thanks for the info!sandman1347 wrote:Not under the body panels they're not. Both Super GT and DTM are purpose built race cars with loads of downforce and super-light chassis.Exediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.![]()
Still won't be anywhere near an LMP, though.
He may think they're not far off - and for all I know that was true in 2015, when the article was written - but he's wrong. They're not a second off LMP1 at Fuji, as a look at the most recent race of each series held there will show:mpls2 wrote:http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/05/1 ... -step.htmlExediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
TBF those are quite small differences relatively speaking when comparing different series.Exediron wrote:He may think they're not far off - and for all I know that was true in 2015, when the article was written - but he's wrong. They're not a second off LMP1 at Fuji, as a look at the most recent race of each series held there will show:mpls2 wrote:http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/05/1 ... -step.htmlExediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
WEC: https://www.fiawec.com/en/race/result/4594
Super GT: https://supergt.net/results/index/2018/Round2/3/gt500
The fastest non-hybrid LMP1 car qualified at a 1:24.359, compared to a Super GT pole of 1:27.904. That's about three and a half seconds, not one. In the race, the story was the same - fastest lap for a non-hybrid LMP1 was 1:26.568 - for Super GT, it was a 1:30.460, a gap of almost four seconds. They're not slow at all - in fact they are apparently roughly LMP2 speed - but they're not as quick as even non-hybrid LMP1 cars.
I suppose that's a matter of opinion. I admit that I was a bit hasty in declaring that they were nowhere near LMP1 - clearly, they are actually a good deal nearer than I thought - but I wouldn't say that 3-4 seconds off qualifies for being 'as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars' as the poster I was responding to alleged. The statement would seem to me to imply a sort of genuine equivalence, meaning that the two would be competitive with one another. That clearly is not the case, at least based on 2018 speeds. Out of a 6 hour race, the LMP1 car would complete 249 laps, while the Super GT would complete only 238.Covalent wrote:TBF those are quite small differences relatively speaking when comparing different series.Exediron wrote:He may think they're not far off - and for all I know that was true in 2015, when the article was written - but he's wrong. They're not a second off LMP1 at Fuji, as a look at the most recent race of each series held there will show:
WEC: https://www.fiawec.com/en/race/result/4594
Super GT: https://supergt.net/results/index/2018/Round2/3/gt500
The fastest non-hybrid LMP1 car qualified at a 1:24.359, compared to a Super GT pole of 1:27.904. That's about three and a half seconds, not one. In the race, the story was the same - fastest lap for a non-hybrid LMP1 was 1:26.568 - for Super GT, it was a 1:30.460, a gap of almost four seconds. They're not slow at all - in fact they are apparently roughly LMP2 speed - but they're not as quick as even non-hybrid LMP1 cars.
Considering the amount of higher tech on all LMP cars, 3.5 seconds is factually not that far off. The Super GT cars are indeed purpose built but identical race machines with exteriors that closely match that of the said production model. The engines are twin turbo 4-bangers, and the rubber is also a step down from that used by LMP cars.Exediron wrote:I suppose that's a matter of opinion. I admit that I was a bit hasty in declaring that they were nowhere near LMP1 - clearly, they are actually a good deal nearer than I thought - but I wouldn't say that 3-4 seconds off qualifies for being 'as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars' as the poster I was responding to alleged. The statement would seem to me to imply a sort of genuine equivalence, meaning that the two would be competitive with one another. That clearly is not the case, at least based on 2018 speeds. Out of a 6 hour race, the LMP1 car would complete 249 laps, while the Super GT would complete only 238.Covalent wrote:TBF those are quite small differences relatively speaking when comparing different series.Exediron wrote:He may think they're not far off - and for all I know that was true in 2015, when the article was written - but he's wrong. They're not a second off LMP1 at Fuji, as a look at the most recent race of each series held there will show:
WEC: https://www.fiawec.com/en/race/result/4594
Super GT: https://supergt.net/results/index/2018/Round2/3/gt500
The fastest non-hybrid LMP1 car qualified at a 1:24.359, compared to a Super GT pole of 1:27.904. That's about three and a half seconds, not one. In the race, the story was the same - fastest lap for a non-hybrid LMP1 was 1:26.568 - for Super GT, it was a 1:30.460, a gap of almost four seconds. They're not slow at all - in fact they are apparently roughly LMP2 speed - but they're not as quick as even non-hybrid LMP1 cars.
To put that in a Le Mans context, the Super GT car would be further from a non-hybrid LMP1 than said non-hybrid is from the Toyotas. And nobody except for Alonso would claim Toyota is just as fast as Rebellion.
Exediron wrote:He may think they're not far off - and for all I know that was true in 2015, when the article was written - but he's wrong. They're not a second off LMP1 at Fuji, as a look at the most recent race of each series held there will show:mpls2 wrote:http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/05/1 ... -step.htmlExediron wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Super GT cars are possibly the fastest GT cars in the world, but they're nowhere near a Le Mans prototype, not even an LMP2. They're still race-specced road cars at their core, not purpose-built racing machines.mpls2 wrote:No, Super GT was always faster, was as fast as the fastest Non hybrid Le man proto type cars. but I'm not sure from when that Superr GT and DTM might be harmonsing technical regulationssandman1347 wrote:I always wished Super GT was run with just one driver per car like DTM. I'm pretty sure the cars are the same spec as DTM (basically the fastest tin tops short of LMPs). Anyway, congrats to JB. Not an easy title to win at all.
WEC: https://www.fiawec.com/en/race/result/4594
Super GT: https://supergt.net/results/index/2018/Round2/3/gt500
The fastest non-hybrid LMP1 car qualified at a 1:24.359, compared to a Super GT pole of 1:27.904. That's about three and a half seconds, not one. In the race, the story was the same - fastest lap for a non-hybrid LMP1 was 1:26.568 - for Super GT, it was a 1:30.460, a gap of almost four seconds. They're not slow at all - in fact they are apparently roughly LMP2 speed - but they're not as quick as even non-hybrid LMP1 cars.