2018 Brazilian Grand Prix Race Thread

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:15 pm

Hamilton with engine issues now

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:16 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Toto "Hey Estaban, remember that 2020 Mercedes seat up for grabs?"

Lol

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:16 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Bacus wrote:
Rockie wrote:
Toby. wrote:
Rockie wrote:What an idiot?

Silly Max
??
Max left no room there for Ocon.
He was a backmarker! He had no business there.
Backmarkers are allowed to unlap themselves. Verstappen knew he was there and just turned into him.

Unlap yourself doesn't equal fighting side by side into the apex IMO. If you can breeze past on the straight and pull away fair enough, but they shouldn't be battling into the corners to unlap themselves.

bourbon19 · Post by **bourbon19** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:17 pm

I dunno that Seb's engine is going to make it to the end, he just seems to be going slower and slower, lap by lap...

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:17 pm

How many laps did Kimi get held up for and his just 6 seconds behind.

chetan_rao · Post by **chetan_rao** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:18 pm

Kimi's still in play if Hamilton is managing the engine.

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:18 pm

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:19 pm

lucifers wrote:Hamilton with engine issues now

Whenever they are challenged the old engine problems shows up, its boring now.

bourbon19 · Post by **bourbon19** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Let us pray it was Seb's tyres...

bourbon19 · Post by **bourbon19** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:22 pm

chetan_rao wrote:Kimi's still in play if Hamilton is managing the engine.

He's "nursing it" to 1:12:.062
Thinking he's okay

chetan_rao · Post by **chetan_rao** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:27 pm

bourbon19 wrote:
chetan_rao wrote:Kimi's still in play if Hamilton is managing the engine.
He's "nursing it" to 1:12:.062
Thinking he's okay

5 seconds to Kimi, 3 to Max with 12 laps to go. Brazil borefest needs a twist. Rain dance time?

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:28 pm

Where did Vettel's pace go?

wonder81 · Post by **wonder81** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:38 pm

Merc may have to switch this engine to full power lool

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:42 pm

Have to feel for Verstappen, he deserved that one.

Greenman · Post by **Greenman** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:43 pm

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Amusing to see people who "want racing" criticise Ocon's move.

Why the Stewards penalised him I just don't know ( "he was alongside and deserved space" )

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Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:43 pm

I support Hamilton, but that was one lucky win, with no special pace throughout.

So gutted for Verstappen, I will not miss Ocon if he will no longer get a seat in F1.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:44 pm

is max threatening to hit ocon

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:47 pm

lucifers wrote:is max threatening to hit ocon

And how many races has Verstappen stuffed up for others by trying donkey ar$ed moves?

Ocon may have been in the wrong but what goes around, comes around.

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:49 pm

What a race. So entertaining. Verstappen had it in the bag, but his old habits of not giving enough room, not being sensible in wheel to wheel combat cost him. When will he learn? Not sure. Of course Ocon shouldn't have fought there, but he was just setting up for a good exit and Max just cut him off.
Vettel was nowhere, Kimi outclassed him today. So happy for Lewis. I foresee he will be the underdog next year. You can see that Redbull is coming, and Ferrari with Leclerc and Vettel are going to be tough. So for lewis, it's rack up the wins while he still can imho.

chetan_rao · Post by **chetan_rao** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:49 pm

Max is understandably upset, but no point stewing over it. Racing can be a cruel sport, pretty sure he'll have plenty of success and a few disappointments along the way.

Driver of the day by a country mile, and his time will come if he gets a consistently competitive car under him.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:51 pm

lucifers wrote:is max threatening to hit ocon

Probably

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:52 pm

Jezza13 wrote:
lucifers wrote:is max threatening to hit ocon
And how many races has Verstappen stuffed up for others by trying donkey ar$ed moves?

Ocon may have been in the wrong but what goes around, comes around.

vettel must be smiling ear to ear

AravJ · Post by **AravJ** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:53 pm

Ocon probably played the Merc game by trying to hold up Max, but went very wrong.
Good thing Ocon is not driving next year.
Deserves to be out of a seat

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:53 pm

kleefton wrote:What a race. So entertaining. Verstappen had it in the bag, but his old habits of not giving enough room, not being sensible in wheel to wheel combat cost him. When will he learn? Not sure. Of course Ocon shouldn't have fought there, but he was just setting up for a good exit and Max just cut him off.
Vettel was nowhere, Kimi outclassed him today. So happy for Lewis. I foresee he will be the underdog next year. You can see that Redbull is coming, and Ferrari with Leclerc and Vettel are going to be tough. So for lewis, it's rack up the wins while he still can imho.

I'm sorry but no way that was his fault. I will certainly would've done the same in his place, I wouldn't expect a backmarker to do that AFTER he was passed, no way. It's not like Ocon had the better pace, just that on that sequence, after the straight line, he was close to him.

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:53 pm

Max didn't need to fight Ocon unlapping himself. Whether or not Ocon should have been doing it is irrelevant, once he saw Ocon there he should have given him the space. He was comfortably ahead of Hamilton at the time, and if Ocon had been slower he would have got blue flags.

It may have compromised his pace over immediately fighting, but risking a collision when he had the race in the bag was an error in judgement.

whitewolfarctic · Post by **whitewolfarctic** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:56 pm

I feel like it was Ocon's fault but Verstappen is not completely blameless in my opinion. Obviously he had to know Ocon was there in turn 1. Surely he could have checked his mirror?

BMWSauber84 · Post by **BMWSauber84** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:58 pm

Verstappen's previous misdemeanours are meaningless in the context of assessing Ocon's move. It was a stupid piece of driving that harked back to the Jarier days.

robins13 · Post by **robins13** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:59 pm

https://twitter.com/MaximeB123/status/1 ... 89952?s=19
Max shoving Esteban in weighing area

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Verstappen's ego stands in the way of his maturity. Verstappen getting violent with Ocon in the video with Ocon:

whitewolfarctic · Post by **whitewolfarctic** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:02 pm

Yeah, Ocon should have never been there the first place but it would have been wise for Max to be a little more cautious, especially considering the circumstances. He had it in the bag at that point.

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:05 pm

whitewolfarctic wrote:Yeah, Ocon should have never been there the first place but it would have been wise for Max to be a little more cautious, especially considering the circumstances. He had it in the bag at that point.

Exactly, Verstappen is usually on the side of being the one with everything to gain fighting those with everything to lose (ie, Vettel and Hamilton) - this time he was the one with everything to lose and Ocon had everything to gain.

j man · Post by **j man** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:06 pm

Backmarkers are entitled to unlap themselves if they are faster. Ocon was alongside and Verstappen shouldn't just expect him to disappear.

Verstappen's behaviour afterwards is just embarrassing. He really is a poisonous individual.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:06 pm

It's interesting watching people having a different position on similar incidents when different drivers are involved.

I can't imagine if that was a Sauber driver and a Ferrari driver benefited like this.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:06 pm

wow, just realised that hamilton will have over 400 points if he finishes 1st or 2nd next race. That will be the first time a driver has ever got that many in a season.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Verstappen assumed because Ocon was getting lapped, he would slow down but Ocon continued on his pace. Shouldn't Verstappen seen his mirrors or just been cautious enough to give him some room nonetheless?

Will Verstappen face some heat for physically shoving a driver? I doubt but it could've gotten more violent!

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:08 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen's ego stands in the way of his maturity. Verstappen getting violent with Ocon in the video with Ocon:

In the heat of the moment I would've done the same honestly, especially with that smug face of the Ocon that looks he doesn't understand where he went wrong. If he would actually apologize that would change things, not sure if he did...
Back in the days it was exciting when they were getting physical of the track, they were 'real' drivers, now they're 'immature' if they manifest like that.

whitewolfarctic · Post by **whitewolfarctic** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:10 pm

Not trying to sound like a hater or anything, but it's just very hard for me to root for Max at any point. He has incredible talent, but he goes about everything like a spoiled child. He really has some maturing to do.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:10 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen's ego stands in the way of his maturity. Verstappen getting violent with Ocon in the video with Ocon:

This guy is going to be unstoppable soon.

In other news Ricciardo finished a race after all the retirements.

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:11 pm

And BTW Ocon was 2 laps down.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:11 pm

j man wrote:Backmarkers are entitled to unlap themselves if they are faster. Ocon was alongside and Verstappen shouldn't just expect him to disappear.

Verstappen's behaviour afterwards is just embarrassing. He really is a poisonous individual.

I certainly feel for Ocon. He most certainly looked faster at that stage. The speed he approached him was so much that I see no reason at all why he couldn't un lap himself. He went more that fully along side. Verstappen was just ahead on the corner, but Ocon was still there and Verstappen just looked to ignore him. I just don't see why drivers at the front should have the right to just ignore the positioning of the lapped cars. I just hate these rules. Ocon maybe should have kept trying in the corner, but Verstappen also could have been far more observant about what is next to him. Fair enough that Ocon got a penalty, but getting the harshest one possible is too much to me.