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Tomorrow's race should be exciting as always!
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I would place a cheeky bet on Bottas to win this one. I expect both Hamilton and Vettel to get penalised for their "actions"

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BlackMan wrote:I would place a cheeky bet on Bottas to win this one. I expect both Hamilton and Vettel to get penalised for their "actions"
They've all suspended betting on the race win since those incidents.

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Johnson wrote:
BlackMan wrote:I would place a cheeky bet on Bottas to win this one. I expect both Hamilton and Vettel to get penalised for their "actions"
They've all suspended betting on the race win since those incidents.
Yup, you are right. I've had a look myself soon after I've wrote this. I do wonder if you were able to bet after Q2 on the race winner.

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Did both Ferraris do Q2 on softs? That could be an advantage if the race stays dry.

I'm hoping for some rain so the Red Bulls get involved. Ricciardo is due a good result before he moves on.

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BlackMan wrote:
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BlackMan wrote:I would place a cheeky bet on Bottas to win this one. I expect both Hamilton and Vettel to get penalised for their "actions"
They've all suspended betting on the race win since those incidents.
Yup, you are right. I've had a look myself soon after I've wrote this. I do wonder if you were able to bet after Q2 on the race winner.
All the major websites have things in place to catch you doing things like this, even the slight delay of the TV signal is usually enough time for them to suspend betting on anything televised, the bet in play football stuff gets suspended at the drop of the hat if it looks like something big is about to happen.
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chetan_rao wrote:Did both Ferraris do Q2 on softs? That could be an advantage if the race stays dry.

I'm hoping for some rain so the Red Bulls get involved. Ricciardo is due a good result before he moves on.
yes, both ferraris qualified on the softs, hope the race starts dry then rain arrives mid race to spice things up.

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Does anybody know if all teams will be able to start the race with free choice of tyres? Since the sessions was officially deemed mixed conditions with the FIA announcing an offiical change in track conditions. This usually means you do not have to use the Q2 tyres to start the race?

Maybe I am wrong as nobody seemed to mention this in Qualifying.

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Johnson wrote:Does anybody know if all teams will be able to start the race with free choice of tyres? Since the sessions was officially deemed mixed conditions with the FIA announcing an offiical change in track conditions. This usually means you do not have to use the Q2 tyres to start the race?

Maybe I am wrong as nobody seemed to mention this in Qualifying.
A fair point. No one's mentioned anything so I'm going to assume that they have to use the Q2 tyres, and that requirement only gets waived if a) the intermediates/wets are actually used in qualifying or b) there is a change in track conditions on race day. Don't know for certain though.

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j man wrote:
Johnson wrote:Does anybody know if all teams will be able to start the race with free choice of tyres? Since the sessions was officially deemed mixed conditions with the FIA announcing an offiical change in track conditions. This usually means you do not have to use the Q2 tyres to start the race?

Maybe I am wrong as nobody seemed to mention this in Qualifying.
A fair point. No one's mentioned anything so I'm going to assume that they have to use the Q2 tyres, and that requirement only gets waived if a) the intermediates/wets are actually used in qualifying or b) there is a change in track conditions on race day. Don't know for certain though.
Is it really so? I mean doesn't that allow a loophole if just one of the cars completes a lap with inters on a dry track? Surely someone would've already done that if it was possible.
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froze wrote:
j man wrote:
Johnson wrote:Does anybody know if all teams will be able to start the race with free choice of tyres? Since the sessions was officially deemed mixed conditions with the FIA announcing an offiical change in track conditions. This usually means you do not have to use the Q2 tyres to start the race?

Maybe I am wrong as nobody seemed to mention this in Qualifying.
A fair point. No one's mentioned anything so I'm going to assume that they have to use the Q2 tyres, and that requirement only gets waived if a) the intermediates/wets are actually used in qualifying or b) there is a change in track conditions on race day. Don't know for certain though.
Is it really so? I mean doesn't that allow a loophole if just one of the cars completes a lap with inters on a dry track? Surely someone would've already done that if it was possible.
The FIA have to announce a change in the climactic conditions, which I believe they did do.
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Flash2k11 wrote:
froze wrote:
j man wrote:
Johnson wrote:Does anybody know if all teams will be able to start the race with free choice of tyres? Since the sessions was officially deemed mixed conditions with the FIA announcing an offiical change in track conditions. This usually means you do not have to use the Q2 tyres to start the race?

Maybe I am wrong as nobody seemed to mention this in Qualifying.
A fair point. No one's mentioned anything so I'm going to assume that they have to use the Q2 tyres, and that requirement only gets waived if a) the intermediates/wets are actually used in qualifying or b) there is a change in track conditions on race day. Don't know for certain though.
Is it really so? I mean doesn't that allow a loophole if just one of the cars completes a lap with inters on a dry track? Surely someone would've already done that if it was possible.
The FIA have to announce a change in the climactic conditions, which I believe they did do.
If they set their time on dry tyres rather than inters/wets then I believe that is what decides it. Not sure what they'd do if half managed a lap on drys and the rest were on inters/wets though, so maybe that's when it changes?

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Fernando wants a twelve pitstop race. Wet, dry, wet, dry, wet, dry..... :lol:

All issues involving Seb and Lewis seem to have resolved themselves so the only penalties are for Daniel and Esteban as far as I know.

Ferrari had issues with their tires yesterday, I wonder how that will work for them tomorrow.
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Mercedes have contested 98 races in the hybrid era. Hamilton has won 49 (50%) of them. If he wins here (or in AD) it'll be a nice round 50 out of a 100.

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shoot999 wrote:Mercedes have contested 98 races in the hybrid era. Hamilton has won 49 (50%) of them. If he wins here (or in AD) it'll be a nice round 50 out of a 100.
Altogether Mercedes would've won about 75% of the races in the hybrid era if that happens.

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Given that it was 100% baring a mess up during 2014-2016 it seems low seeing it at 75% now.

12/20 last year
9/19 this year

21/39 - 54%

If the trend continues then next year is going to see them toppled

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Has a driver ever scored 7 2nd places in a season without a race win? Bottas this year. Maybe he can break it tomorrow

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Johnson wrote:Given that it was 100% baring a mess up during 2014-2016 it seems low seeing it at 75% now.

12/20 last year
9/19 this year

21/39 - 54%

If the trend continues then next year is going to see them toppled
You are assuming a two way contest. Christian Horner has assured us that there will be a three way battle for the championship by the end of the year. Anything even close to 50% could easily win a three way contest.

This year the wins are as follows.
Merc - 9/19
Ferrari - 6/19
Red Bull - 4/19

If both drivers contribute, the WCC could go to a team who only won in the low 40% to high 30% win rate given a hard fought three way battle.
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Johnson wrote:Given that it was 100% baring a mess up during 2014-2016 it seems low seeing it at 75% now.

12/20 last year
9/19 this year

21/39 - 54%

If the trend continues then next year is going to see them toppled
The longer the time period the more impressive it seems to me. It's probably been dropping every year but for 5 seasons and 100 races I think 75% is pretty remarkable.

Does anyone know what was Lotus's in the 60's,McLaren's in the 80's and Ferrari's in the early 00's best 5yr period percentage wise?
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Provisional grid:

1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:07.281
2 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.093s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.16s
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.175s
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.497s
6 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1.015s
7 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1.211s
8 Romain Grosjean Haas 1.236s
9 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 1.748s
10 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:08.659
11 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 0.499s *
12 Sergio Perez Force India 1:08.741
13 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:08.834
14 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1:10.381
15 Carlos Sainz Renault 1:09.269
16 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1:09.280
17 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:09.402
18 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:08.770 **
19 Lance Stroll Williams 1:09.441
20 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:09.601

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** five-place gearbox penalty
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Race sets available for each driver:

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Ferrari doing qualifying on soft seems odd given they have no new SS.

Generally, Ferrari will have to overtake on track to win this given the tyres. But I expected Vettel on new SS attacking Hamilton on an old medium at the end.

Edit - just realised one of those SS probably only did that out lap in Q before they switch to soft.

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Any info on the weather?
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Pit stop Strategy as per Pirelli:

Quickest is a one-stopper (provided conditions are warm):
- Start on soft for 32-36 laps, then medium to the finish.
- Alternatively, start on supersoft for 25-30 laps, then medium to the finish.

In warm conditions, a two-stopper is nearly as quick as a one-stopper:
- Two stints on supersoft of 20-22 laps each, then soft to the finish.

If conditions are cooler, similar to Friday, the quickest strategy is a one stopper:
- Start on supersoft for 27-33 laps, then soft to the finish.
- Alternatively, start on supersoft for 25-30 laps, then medium to the finish.
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UnlikeUday wrote:Any info on the weather?
Radar seems to suggest "light" rain for much of the area around Sao Paulo around race start time, moving east and away from the track thereafter.

Whether it actually rains is a whole different matter, though.
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The race is probably going to end without rain.

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Karun Chandhok is saying mild raindrops are already falling in the pitlane!
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Verstappen !

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Ferrari must be really struggling out of the final corner on the softs if Verstappen gets past them on the straight.
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Vettel locked his tyres twice.
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Black_Flag_11 wrote:Ferrari must be really struggling out of the final corner on the softs if Verstappen gets past them on the straight.
It's going to comeback to them.

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The Bottas train and Verstappen has had enough of being aboard.
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whats going on with bottas pace

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Traction on the Red Bulls never ceases to amaze me! Good lord give them a competitive motor and let's watch the fireworks.

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My word Bottas is average.
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Get Kimi out the way, they are both ruining Vettels race.
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either kimi passes bottas or gives vettel a chance to pass

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lucifers wrote:either kimi passes bottas or gives vettel a chance to pass
Yeah it's ridiculous, the more they are stuck behind the more the chance of a race win goes.
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