Red Bull Performance 2019: Renault vs Honda

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How will Red Bulls performance with Honda engine?

Poll ended at Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:51 am

1. Much worse with Honda
1
3%
2. Slightly worse with Honda
2
6%
3. No real change
9
28%
4. Slight improvement with Honda
18
56%
5. Big improvement with Honda
2
6%
 
Total votes: 32

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Red Bull Performance 2019: Renault vs Honda

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Given all the speculation about whether Red Bull will gain or lose with the Honda engine next year, just wanted to see what the consensus is here. Do you think Red Bull will improve or decline with the Honda engine next year?

Personally I'm voting for a slight performance gain. I think the Honda engine itself will deliver them a gain in qualifying (witnessed by TR) which will massively improve their current situation with bad qualifying performance but good race pace. Combine this with fact that they are now essentially a works team again and can collaborate directly with Honda for chassis integration and I think the net outcome will be positive, especially by mid season.

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I think Honda could build a power unit that would cause Mercedes and Ferrari real fits but I have not seen any evidence of the kind of commitment that this would take.

Honda supplied its engines to six consecutive constructor champions (two with Williams 1986–87 and four with McLaren 1988–91). Could happen again but I don't see any moves toward this kind of renewed dominance.
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I can see Red Bull 2019 being like McLaren 2005.

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They'll be quick but will mainly be sat on the side of the track, not going round it.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:I can see Red Bull 2019 being like McLaren 2005.
My thoughts as well, fast but fragile.
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I'm going to be optimistic for Honda and say a slight improvement. I think they're determined to not make this a mess for any longer than it has been going on already

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I'm going to say a very slight improvement on where they are now, in other words still not regularly racing Ferrari/Mercedes but massively ahead of the Formula 1.5 battle behind them.

I also think that reliability will be an issue, and by the end of the year Max is going to be causing problems by being critical of Honda on team radio and in interviews.
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:I'm going to say a very slight improvement on where they are now, in other words still not regularly racing Ferrari/Mercedes but massively ahead of the Formula 1.5 battle behind them.

I also think that reliability will be an issue, and by the end of the year Max is going to be causing problems by being critical of Honda on team radio and in interviews.
I'm sure he'll give them a bit of time but considering how critical he is of Renault at seemingly every opportunity at the moment, it won't take too much for him to be slagging Honda off.

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JN23 wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:I'm going to say a very slight improvement on where they are now, in other words still not regularly racing Ferrari/Mercedes but massively ahead of the Formula 1.5 battle behind them.

I also think that reliability will be an issue, and by the end of the year Max is going to be causing problems by being critical of Honda on team radio and in interviews.
I'm sure he'll give them a bit of time but considering how critical he is of Renault at seemingly every opportunity at the moment, it won't take too much for him to be slagging Honda off.
They are used to it by now with Alonso!

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Siao7 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Jenson's Understeer wrote:I'm going to say a very slight improvement on where they are now, in other words still not regularly racing Ferrari/Mercedes but massively ahead of the Formula 1.5 battle behind them.

I also think that reliability will be an issue, and by the end of the year Max is going to be causing problems by being critical of Honda on team radio and in interviews.
I'm sure he'll give them a bit of time but considering how critical he is of Renault at seemingly every opportunity at the moment, it won't take too much for him to be slagging Honda off.
They are used to it by now with Alonso!
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I think that they will be firmly in the championship battle. I think they might become the 2nd fastest team. The way that Honda used this season to aggressively develop the engine will pay off big time. I don't think they will be that bad reliability-wise but they won't be bullet-proof either. In terms of engine performacne, I expect that they will be half way between Ferrari/Mercedes and Renault. I expect Red Bull to make up the difference in the chassis department.

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sandman1347 wrote:I think that they will be firmly in the championship battle. I think they might become the 2nd fastest team. The way that Honda used this season to aggressively develop the engine will pay off big time. I don't think they will be that bad reliability-wise but they won't be bullet-proof either. In terms of engine performacne, I expect that they will be half way between Ferrari/Mercedes and Renault. I expect Red Bull to make up the difference in the chassis department.
Sorry for going off topic - but if Red Bull become the second fastest team, who are you thinking will fall behind them? I can't really see much changing in Merc/Ferrari with both being fairly even again.

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If Renault are taking the best bits from the current engine then redesigning the rest because its holding them back couldn't they make a jump forward as a result?

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:I can see Red Bull 2019 being like McLaren 2005.
I think they would take that to be honest, it would justify their decision. Then they work on reliability from there.
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:I'm going to say a very slight improvement on where they are now, in other words still not regularly racing Ferrari/Mercedes but massively ahead of the Formula 1.5 battle behind them.

I also think that reliability will be an issue, and by the end of the year Max is going to be causing problems by being critical of Honda on team radio and in interviews.
A slight improvement would mean 5-6 race wins and being in the podium at most races on speed rather than circumstance. If they get that much next year I think Max would be happy and not cause issues about reliability until 2020.
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JN23 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:I think that they will be firmly in the championship battle. I think they might become the 2nd fastest team. The way that Honda used this season to aggressively develop the engine will pay off big time. I don't think they will be that bad reliability-wise but they won't be bullet-proof either. In terms of engine performacne, I expect that they will be half way between Ferrari/Mercedes and Renault. I expect Red Bull to make up the difference in the chassis department.
Sorry for going off topic - but if Red Bull become the second fastest team, who are you thinking will fall behind them? I can't really see much changing in Merc/Ferrari with both being fairly even again.
I think Ferrari will fall off slightly next season. I think losing their chairman actually disrupted their season and it will have impacted the design of the new car. Mostly it's a gut feeling but I think Red Bull will be back at the front next year along with Mercedes.

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no real change they will remain 3rd best- except from Max who will seek to get out of his contract to join a (true) leading team

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As someone said before: fast but fragile. I genuinely feel that they would not mind to have twice as many DBFs, as long as they win twice as many races. They know they won't be title contenders next year

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StanB123 wrote:As someone said before: fast but fragile. I genuinely feel that they would not mind to have twice as many DBFs, as long as they win twice as many races. They know they won't be title contenders next year
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Siao7 wrote:
StanB123 wrote:As someone said before: fast but fragile. I genuinely feel that they would not mind to have twice as many DBFs, as long as they win twice as many races. They know they won't be title contenders next year
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