Which of Schumacher's remaining records will Lewis break?

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Poll ended at Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:54 pm

World Titles
14
10%
Race Wins
22
16%
Fastest Laps
6
4%
Podiums
24
17%
Laps Led
10
7%
KMs Led
9
6%
Hat Tricks
5
4%
Wins/Podiums in Consecutive Years
14
10%
Wins at an Individual Grand Prix/Circuit
16
11%
Consecutive Podiums
5
4%
Consecutive Wins
6
4%
Consecutive Poles
5
4%
Grand Slams
5
4%
 
Total votes: 141

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KingVoid wrote: The problem with this argument is that people always forget that Rosberg stacked up very well against Hamilton in 2013 when Mercedes was competitive but clearly not the best car.
That was Hamilton's weakest season against Rosberg, I think being new to the team and car being a factor, in particular the Fric system that affected how he wanted to drive the car, he came on stronger in the second half of the season but late on 2 poor races later found to be a cracked chassis which didn't help with the overall impression of his season.
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pokerman wrote:
Fiki wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Fiki wrote:
KingVoid wrote:Rosberg is one of those drivers whose reputation will increase over time.

People often discredit his performances against Hamilton because “it’s easy to challenge for a WDC in a dominant car”, but forget that he was also very competitive in 2013.

Nico wasn’t rated that highly by fans when he was driving, but he will be remembered fondly with hindsight.

It’s the complete opposite to Vettel and Raikkonen, two drivers whose reputation was sky-high in their mid-20s and then deteriorated with time.
I think you're right. And I also think that if Mercedes had hired a second German driver, he might now well be a multiple title holder. It's no reflection on Hamilton, but I wondered why they didn't keep the team more German.
Maybe because they didn't have a crystal ball therefore in 2012 they couldn't foresee the domination of 2014, so priority was to employ the best driver available and not just some bespoke German driver.

Also good luck in winning the titles in 2017 and 2018 with priority on having German drivers.
Possibly, but that was projecting beyond the three years immediately ahead. Remember the initial McLaren run in the 1980s? '84 and '85 were won with the best car and arguably the two best drivers in the world, but even by 1986 their run should have been finished. Still being a top team with the best driver in the world kept McLaren in touch with Williams, who didn't have the best drivers in the world, albeit both world champions then or later.
And yet Williams should have won the drivers' title with their slightly inferior drivers.

Edit: And how would the battle in 1986 have looked, had McLaren been capable of accommodating both its world champions, with their different requirements? It took them far too long to see Rosberg for the fast driver he was.
I'm a bit confused you seem to be saying the same thing as me, McLaren needed Prost for when the car was no longer dominant, similar with Hamilton and Mercedes.

A team can't gamble on having a dominant car that will facilitate having weaker drivers.
Perhaps I didn't go far enough in explaining my additional point. I didn't so much underline McLaren's need to rely on Prost to remain competitive, rather than wonder how much more competitive they could have been, had they been able to accommodate both Prost's and Rosberg's needs in a car. Keke's final race in Adelaide only provides us with a glimpse of what was possible. He certainly wasn't a slouch. And even though he himself later said he thought he was fast until he met Prost, the fact remains McLaren had two champions on their books. The parallel with Mercedes/Hamilton/Rosberg is clear I hope.

All in all, I think KingVoid's comment on Nico's reputation is correct, and that doesn't diminish respect for Hamilton's qualities in the least.

There's one record Schumacher didn't score, and that Hamilton isn't in a position to achieve anymore, but that Nico did: setting fastest lap in his very first Grand Prix.
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Just a recognition of the fact that in Spain, Lewis passed Michael Schumacher for the most total podiums by a formula one driver ever. MS had a total of 155 podiums in his career. Lewis registered his 156th in Spain and of course added one to it in Belgium.

Coming soon will be 92 career victories for Lewis probably before the end of the year.

That is all for now.
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So what are we looking at by the end of 2021?

Currently, Hamilton has 89 wins, 93 poles and 6 WDCs.

There are 10 more races in the 2020 season - let's assume Ham claims 5 poles and wins 5 races and wins the WDC.

2021 will probably be a ~22-race season and I'll just assume that Hamilton continues to win about 50% of races in this hybrid era and notches up another 10 pole positions. I expect more resistance from Red Bull and Verstappen in 2021 but suspect Hamilton will notch up his 8th WDC.

Before we head into the new era, this would leave Hamilton with ~105 wins, ~108 poles and 8 WDCs.


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shoot999 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:11 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Blake wrote:
Donington93 wrote:He may hang it up with seven championships if he exceeds Schumacher's race win total. I would think that race wins would be the tiebreaker most people would use to determine who was the most successful driver (with WDC's being the first thing). That's just my thoughts...I mean if you don't use race wins as a tiebreaker then what is the tiebreaker and why is that statistic better than race wins?
I don't see race wins as a "tiebreaker" when today's drivers have as much as 20% more races per year. Like points, it is at best an asterisk to a record, at worst meaningless.
Surely by that logic you would view Hamilton as the most successful driver anyway. 7 WDC's in in 14 seasons compared to Shumacher's 7 in 15 seasons?

It's pretty close anyway.

Hamilton is on 247 starts and 83 wins. Schumacher's 91st win was on his 247th start.
Schumacher %age wins 29.55%
Hamilton %age wins-33.60%

Its probably a good bet to assume that Hams %age will go down over the next few seasons

Quoting a post from Oct 30 2019 here...

Let's call the next few seasons the next 3 seasons, so 2020-2022. Well, it's looking likely now that Hamilton will win more than 33.60% of races in that timeframe. Perhaps he'll be at 50% for 2020 and 2021 and it will be knocked down quite a bit in 2022 but not to below the winning percentage at the time of the post which was 33.60%.

So in the end it appears that Hamilton's win percentage will go up over the next few seasons.

Now what I'm wondering is if Hamilton can stay at about 33-34% from now until he retires. This is definitely possible if his next contract is his last contract and Mercedes are still competitive from 2022 onwards, especially if he buffers himself with ~55% of wins from the ~40 races to be completed through 2020-21.

Clearly, the pandemic changed the complexion of this prediction, with Mercedes and Hamilton getting an extra year of potential dominance before the new age.

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Invade wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:17 am
So what are we looking at by the end of 2021?

Currently, Hamilton has 89 wins, 93 poles and 6 WDCs.

There are 10 more races in the 2020 season - let's assume Ham claims 5 poles and wins 5 races and wins the WDC.

2021 will probably be a ~22-race season and I'll just assume that Hamilton continues to win about 50% of races in this hybrid era and notches up another 10 pole positions. I expect more resistance from Red Bull and Verstappen in 2021 but suspect Hamilton will notch up his 8th WDC.

Before we head into the new era, this would leave Hamilton with ~105 wins, ~108 poles and 8 WDCs.


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all of em that matter

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Wins (91 v 89)
Yes

Wins In A Season 13/18 vs 11/19
No. Because he doesn't have a contractually subservient team-mate!

Wins at Same GP (8 v 8)
Yes just has to win at France or Hungary one more time

Consecutive Seasons With A Win
Yes, but will have to win in 21 + 22 to get this

Fastest laps (77 v 49)
No

Fastest Laps in a Season
No

Podiums /Season
No Schu's 17/17 will surely never be beaten.

Consecutive Podiums (19 v 16)
Possibly, but would need a run of a further consecutive 4 podiums...

Races in points (221 v 220)
Yes, only has to be in points for next 2 races

WDC's 7/6
Maybe!
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I don’t think Hamilton or anyone will be getting the Grand Slam record while the fastest lap rule remains, Hat Tricks too. He was denied another on Sunday by Ricciardo.

I’m surprised Sky Sports haven’t made more of the countdown to the most wins to be honest, though judging by the commentary lately, they might well get it wrong!

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Hamilton hasn't ever really been one for the fastest laps even before the bonus point. Vettel used to go for it, but Hamilton seems to feel it has no significance or value. And to be fair I agree. All things being equal, if you can lap faster than all the other drivers, you should be winning the race anyway.

It's worth noting that Lewis may well take the 2 biggies - most wins and most WDC's but he doesn't actually hold that many records. It makes you realise that despite the win rate, he hasn't dominated to the same extent Schu did.
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Invade wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:17 am
So what are we looking at by the end of 2021?

Currently, Hamilton has 89 wins, 93 poles and 6 WDCs.

There are 10 more races in the 2020 season - let's assume Ham claims 5 poles and wins 5 races and wins the WDC.

2021 will probably be a ~22-race season and I'll just assume that Hamilton continues to win about 50% of races in this hybrid era and notches up another 10 pole positions. I expect more resistance from Red Bull and Verstappen in 2021 but suspect Hamilton will notch up his 8th WDC.

Before we head into the new era, this would leave Hamilton with ~105 wins, ~108 poles and 8 WDCs.


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Very plausible!! I don't see the car/driver combination out there right now that will deny Lewis those records.
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I would argue that having greater parity at Mercedes has limited Hamilton to some extent in chasing records (racking up high percentages of races wins in a season / consecutive wins & podiums), but is also played a factor in increasing the longevity of the period of success. Many would agree that the sport would be better of for increased competition/variability, but in keeping some interest up front I think it tends to temper any attempts from the FIA to equalize things. While Mercedes have played their part as well, I think that is testament to Hamilton as well and has paid dividends in the long run.

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Not much resistance or competition to overcome though.

It's like a heavyweight fighting a middleweight.

Still impressive to watch though. Even though he has a B-grade team mate in Bottas.
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What about Hamilton versus the entire Schumacher family?

Presently:

7 WDC
97 wins
182 podiums
85 fastest laps

Obviously if Mick enters F1 those figures could go up, but he's currently at the Ralf end of the Schumacher talent scale, so not showing signs of ultimate greatness. But Lance Stroll had shown that with enough coaching, time and without the stress of fearing to lose your seat, that talent can be nurtured.

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I don’t believe that the records that Hamilton will set will ever be broken. That’s because I don’t believe that the FIA will ever allow another team to dominate like Mercedes again. The budget cap alone will make domination tenfold harder. Mercedes comfortably outspend everyone apart from Ferrari. They have double the budget of Renault/McLaren. That obviously won’t be possible anymore in the future.

That said, greatness is about more than just statistics. Senna is considered the GOAT by many people, and he doesn’t have anywhere near as many trophies as Schumacher or Hamilton. Vettel has won more trophies than Senna and no one even thinks about him in a GOAT discussion.

If another driver (say Max or Charles) can win 4 titles in an era where every team has an equal budget and the field is super close, inevitably some people who will consider that a far superior achievement to winning 7 titles with a Mercedes team that won 80% of the races from 2014-2020.

“Lewis had no competition. Lewis drove a car 1 second faster than everyone. Max/Charles won when everyone had the same car. Max/Charles are way better”

I can already see these arguments in 2030.

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I wouldn't rule out Hamilton's records being broken if we go up to a 25 race season. Liberty want even more than that.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:56 pm
I wouldn't rule out Hamilton's records being broken if we go up to a 25 race season. Liberty want even more than that.
Hamilton will win 8 world titles minimum. He has already won 2020 and 2021 is all but guaranteed. Who knows what will happen after that.

Do you really think that 8 world titles are possible if every team had equal budgets?

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8 worlds titles are a bit different because they aren't effected by number of races which is the point I was bringing up.

It's still possible though. In equal cars Schumacher probably wins more than 7 WDC's for example.

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I originally made this post just over two years ago, and this is how it now looks with the amount Lewis hsa gained since that original post in brackets:

World Titles: Schumacher 7; Hamilton 7 (+3)
Race Wins: Schumacher 91; Hamilton 94 (+33)
Fastest Laps: Schumacher 77; Hamilton 53 (+13)
Podiums: Schumacher 155; Hamilton 163 (+32)
Laps Led: Schumacher 5111; Hamilton 5043 (+1160)
KMs Led: Schumacher 24148; Hamilton 25597 (+5851)
Hat Tricks: Schumacher 22; Hamilton 18 (+4)
Wins/Podiums in Consecutive Years: Schumacher 15; Hamilton 14 (+2)
Wins at an individual Grand Prix/Circuit: Schumacher 8 (at France/Magny-Cours); Hamilton 8 (Hungary/Hungaroring) (+2)
Consecutive Podiums: Schumacher 19; Hamilton's best remains 16

And a couple of other records Schumacher doesn't hold:

Consecutive Wins: Vettel 9; Hamilton's best remains 5
Consecutive Poles: Senna 8; Hamilton's best remains 7
Grand Slams: Clark 8; Hamilton 6 (+1)

Of the ones I picked out originally, he's broken three of them, equalled a further two, and is within touching distance of a couple of others.

Hat tricks he has a good shot at, and perhaps even grand slams, but fastest laps still looks like a bit of a stretch unless he takes a significant number next year. 2021 could also be his best (maybe even last) shot at consecutive podiums/poles/wins, depending on what happens in 2022 and beyond obviously.
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Which of Vettel's records has Hamilton not yet overhauled?
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Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:00 pm
Which of Vettel's records has Hamilton not yet overhauled?
Aside from the aforementioned consecutive wins and, of course, all the 'youngest driver to...' ones that Max didn't break, all that Seb has left are single season ones relating to his dominant 2011 and 2013 seasons.

Wins in a season - 13, shared with Schumacher. Lewis can equal it if he wins the last three races. Given Seb had 13 wins in 19 races and Schumacher had 13 in 18, I'd expect some to argue that Lewis having 13 wins in 17 would mean he had bettered (although not broken) this record rather than simply equaling it.

Poles in a season - 15 in 19 races in 2011. Lewis will have to come back for this one in 2021 as the most he can finish with this year is 12.

Podiums in a season - 17 in 2011. Remarkably, Lewis has already equaled this no fewer than four times (in 2015, 16, 18 and 19) although again, there is possibly an argument that Schumacher is the standard bearer for this after his 17 podiums from 17 races in 2002.

Laps led in a season - 739 in 2011. Lewis is on 557 at the moment, however there are 199 racing laps left in the season thanks in part to the Sakhir 'oval' race being 87 laps. So he can get to 756 if he dominates the remaining races.

Wins from pole in a season - 9 in 2011. Lewis has 7 so far so again, he still has the chance to equal or even break that record this year.
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:27 pm
Podiums in a season - 17 in 2011. Remarkably, Lewis has already equaled this no fewer than four times (in 2015, 16, 18 and 19) although again, there is possibly an argument that Schumacher is the standard bearer for this after his 17 podiums from 17 races in 2002.
I think taking 100% of the podiums from a season is its own record, and one Lewis will have to work a little harder to break. If Lewis got 18 podiums in a a season, I would still consider Michael to have a record of his own that's separate and (arguably) higher.
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I don't think this has been mentioned previously:

If Lewis goes on to win the 2021 title as well, he will equal Schuey's record of five consecutive World Drivers Championship titles.

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Warnzee wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm
I don't think this has been mentioned previously:

If Lewis goes on to win the 2021 title as well, he will equal Schuey's record of five consecutive World Drivers Championship titles.
I think 2021 is pretty much a given for Lewis given how stable the rules will be for next year; the cars carrying over and Bottas being a team mate to Lewis and unless Red Bull build an absolute stonker of a car and the engine finds another 50bhp or so, 2021 will see Lewis an 8x WDC.


I'm most looking forward to 2022 and the big rules reset could see Red Bull finding an aero loophole somewhere and looking mighty again.
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Exediron wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:32 pm
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:27 pm
Podiums in a season - 17 in 2011. Remarkably, Lewis has already equaled this no fewer than four times (in 2015, 16, 18 and 19) although again, there is possibly an argument that Schumacher is the standard bearer for this after his 17 podiums from 17 races in 2002.
I think taking 100% of the podiums from a season is its own record, and one Lewis will have to work a little harder to break. If Lewis got 18 podiums in a a season, I would still consider Michael to have a record of his own that's separate and (arguably) higher.
That's a fair point :thumbup:
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Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:31 pm
Warnzee wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm
I don't think this has been mentioned previously:

If Lewis goes on to win the 2021 title as well, he will equal Schuey's record of five consecutive World Drivers Championship titles.
I think 2021 is pretty much a given for Lewis given how stable the rules will be for next year; the cars carrying over and Bottas being a team mate to Lewis and unless Red Bull build an absolute stonker of a car and the engine finds another 50bhp or so, 2021 will see Lewis an 8x WDC.


I'm most looking forward to 2022 and the big rules reset could see Red Bull finding an aero loophole somewhere and looking mighty again.
BIB: Funnily enough, I said the same sort of thing way back in March in this thread, even before we really knew whether we would even get a 2020 season or not!
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Just a thought but depending on what happens with the Coronavirus outbreak - and I'm speaking purely in terms of the F1 records he is chasing - Lewis might actually stand to benefit from it. Liberty and the FIA are still doing their best to salvage the 2020 season and, at last count, were looking at having the season start in Baku and finish after around 17 races. Monaco has already gone and Andrew Benson was today speculating that Brazil (which pays no fee), Spain (which only pays a small fee) and Bahrain (who would accept being omitted this year if it benefits them in the future) could also fall by the wayside to allow China, Vietnam and the Dutch race to be fitted in.

That's a pretty full season. To put it into perspective all except one of Schumacher's titles were won in seasons with 16 or 17 races. If we didn't get racing until the beginning of July then that would still be 14 races, and even the minimum to declare a world champion would mean eight races. If Mercedes are the team to beat then Lewis could still take his seventh WDC in 2020, yet suddenly with the added bonus that the same cars will be in use in 2021. No longer would there be the prospect that he equals Schumi but then the new regulations kick in and Mercedes are no longer the team to beat. If we do get a WDC declared in 2020 then it might just be that the Coronavirus outbreak has helped Lewis to his eighth title...
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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:35 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:31 pm
Warnzee wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm
I don't think this has been mentioned previously:

If Lewis goes on to win the 2021 title as well, he will equal Schuey's record of five consecutive World Drivers Championship titles.
I think 2021 is pretty much a given for Lewis given how stable the rules will be for next year; the cars carrying over and Bottas being a team mate to Lewis and unless Red Bull build an absolute stonker of a car and the engine finds another 50bhp or so, 2021 will see Lewis an 8x WDC.


I'm most looking forward to 2022 and the big rules reset could see Red Bull finding an aero loophole somewhere and looking mighty again.
BIB: Funnily enough, I said the same sort of thing way back in March in this thread, even before we really knew whether we would even get a 2020 season or not!
Jenson's Understeer wrote:
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Just a thought but depending on what happens with the Coronavirus outbreak - and I'm speaking purely in terms of the F1 records he is chasing - Lewis might actually stand to benefit from it. Liberty and the FIA are still doing their best to salvage the 2020 season and, at last count, were looking at having the season start in Baku and finish after around 17 races. Monaco has already gone and Andrew Benson was today speculating that Brazil (which pays no fee), Spain (which only pays a small fee) and Bahrain (who would accept being omitted this year if it benefits them in the future) could also fall by the wayside to allow China, Vietnam and the Dutch race to be fitted in.

That's a pretty full season. To put it into perspective all except one of Schumacher's titles were won in seasons with 16 or 17 races. If we didn't get racing until the beginning of July then that would still be 14 races, and even the minimum to declare a world champion would mean eight races. If Mercedes are the team to beat then Lewis could still take his seventh WDC in 2020, yet suddenly with the added bonus that the same cars will be in use in 2021. No longer would there be the prospect that he equals Schumi but then the new regulations kick in and Mercedes are no longer the team to beat. If we do get a WDC declared in 2020 then it might just be that the Coronavirus outbreak has helped Lewis to his eighth title...

The other possibility also exists of course, that Mercedes find a loophole, aero or otherwise! Also how long can Ferrari's offering remain in the bin?

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Let’s assume for a second that:

1. The competitiveness order does not change from 2020 to 2021, very likely
2. We get the full 23 race calendar we have been promised

I predict that Hamilton will smash the number of race wins in a season record, currently held by Vettel and Schumacher (13).

I predict that Hamilton will win at least 17 or 18 races. Bottas will win 3 or 4. Verstappen will win 1 or 2.

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Re: Which of Schumacher's remaining records will Lewis break?

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KingVoid wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:07 am
I predict that Hamilton will smash the number of race wins in a season record, currently held by Vettel and Schumacher (13).
I'm not sure that Hamilton is quite the relentless winning machine that Vettel was in 2013 or Schumacher was in 2004. Sure, he's been winning double figure races for all but one of his Mercedes hybrid years, but he always seems to lose focus after clinching the title.

We will see how he does in the last 3 races of 2020 but I expect he might only win 1 or 2 of them.
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Re: Which of Schumacher's remaining records will Lewis break?

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F1Tyrant wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:14 am
KingVoid wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:07 am
I predict that Hamilton will smash the number of race wins in a season record, currently held by Vettel and Schumacher (13).
I'm not sure that Hamilton is quite the relentless winning machine that Vettel was in 2013 or Schumacher was in 2004. Sure, he's been winning double figure races for all but one of his Mercedes hybrid years, but he always seems to lose focus after clinching the title.

We will see how he does in the last 3 races of 2020 but I expect he might only win 1 or 2 of them.
2015 he lost focus but after winning the 2018 title he won the last two races after putting the car on pole. In 2019 he won the last race and came fourth in Brazil after the clash with Albon.

I don’t think the losing focus post-winning the title is much of a thing anymore, although the remainder of this season may tell us otherwise.

Edit: sorry completely forgot 2017... crashed in qualifying and finished fourth before P2 in the final race. You could argue that was a loss of focus. Even with that, it’s showed that focus hasn’t been lost after the more recent title wins

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Re: Which of Schumacher's remaining records will Lewis break?

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A record of Vettel's* that Hamilton has an outside chance of breaking - biggest margin of winning the championship. Currently 155 points from 2013, Hamilton is on 131 ahead of Bottas and 143 ahead of Verstappen so has a chance of that if he wins the last two races.

*Schumacher would have been 157 ahead of Barrichello using the post-2010 system.

PS: Vettel would have been 160 clear with the fastest lap bonus point, Schumacher 163.

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