Re: FORMULA E: Season 5 [Everything's new!]
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:41 am
No Jaguar I-Pace race this weekend
It's back for Mexico
It's back for Mexico
Vergne was hardly any better, he blew it from the beginning.Paolo_Lasardi wrote:BMW Andretti the superiour team - if they only had better drivers ...
Yeah, Vergne made a silly try at taking the lead in turn one. That's better than running into your teammate when you're 1-2 in the race with multiple seconds of clear air behind you.pokerman wrote:Vergne was hardly any better, he blew it from the beginning.Paolo_Lasardi wrote:BMW Andretti the superiour team - if they only had better drivers ...
Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
I think you miss the point perhaps that in FE you can actually overtake and don't have to take that level of risk?Exediron wrote:Yeah, Vergne made a silly try at taking the lead in turn one. That's better than running into your teammate when you're 1-2 in the race with multiple seconds of clear air behind you.pokerman wrote:Vergne was hardly any better, he blew it from the beginning.Paolo_Lasardi wrote:BMW Andretti the superiour team - if they only had better drivers ...
(Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
By my last count Hamilton is a 5 time world champion.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
That is also true. There are five drivers with (at least) four WDCs to their credit. Am guessing that they all have taken out a team mate at one time or another. Well, maybe not Fangio???pokerman wrote:By my last count Hamilton is a 5 time world champion.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
There are only 2 that can be spoken of as a certain 4 time world champion.Mort Canard wrote:That is also true. There are five drivers with (at least) four WDCs to their credit. Am guessing that they all have taken out a team mate at one time or another. Well, maybe not Fangio???pokerman wrote:By my last count Hamilton is a 5 time world champion.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
I was talking about Vettel, and I thought it was pretty obvious. He ran into Webber in Turkey when they were running 1-2, and he's lost his race by making stupid first corner moves more times than I can count.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
Well technically Fangio did take his team mates out of races. He just did it in a slightly different way.Mort Canard wrote:That is also true. There are five drivers with (at least) four WDCs to their credit. Am guessing that they all have taken out a team mate at one time or another. Well, maybe not Fangio???pokerman wrote:By my last count Hamilton is a 5 time world champion.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
Yeah imo he's done it at Barcelona 16' While I understand this is not widely accepted, but for me he was the guilty party on that one.Exediron wrote:I was talking about Vettel, and I thought it was pretty obvious. He ran into Webber in Turkey when they were running 1-2, and he's lost his race by making stupid first corner moves more times than I can count.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.
Well a lot of people (including Niki and Toto) put much of the onus on Lewis for this one in Spain 2016.Exediron wrote:I was talking about Vettel, and I thought it was pretty obvious. He ran into Webber in Turkey when they were running 1-2, and he's lost his race by making stupid first corner moves more times than I can count.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.
Jezza13 wrote: Well technically Fangio did take his team mates out of races. He just did it in a slightly different way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Manchester United ... d_Maserati
"Fangio took over his teammate's cars after he suffered mechanical problems in three races, the Argentine, Monaco and Italian Grands Prix."
kleefton wrote:Yeah imo he's done it at Barcelona 16' While I understand this is not widely accepted, but for me he was the guilty party on that one.Exediron wrote:I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.
Fair enough, that could be counted. I personally viewed it as a racing incident, since Rosberg did force him onto the grass before the collision. It was still a stupid incident all around however, so it certainly qualifies for the 'Formula E drivers aren't any more amateurish than F1 champions' line of argument I started off with.Mort Canard wrote:Well a lot of people (including Niki and Toto) put much of the onus on Lewis for this one in Spain 2016.
Exediron wrote:kleefton wrote:Yeah imo he's done it at Barcelona 16' While I understand this is not widely accepted, but for me he was the guilty party on that one.Exediron wrote:I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.Fair enough, that could be counted. I personally viewed it as a racing incident, since Rosberg did force him onto the grass before the collision. It was still a stupid incident all around however, so it certainly qualifies for the 'Formula E drivers aren't any more amateurish than F1 champions' line of argument I started off with.Mort Canard wrote:Well a lot of people (including Niki and Toto) put much of the onus on Lewis for this one in Spain 2016.
Nothing to do with Rosberg turning hard right on a straight piece of road, I wonder what caused him to do that?Mort Canard wrote:Well a lot of people (including Niki and Toto) put much of the onus on Lewis for this one in Spain 2016.Exediron wrote:I was talking about Vettel, and I thought it was pretty obvious. He ran into Webber in Turkey when they were running 1-2, and he's lost his race by making stupid first corner moves more times than I can count.Mort Canard wrote:Are you talking about Alain Prost or Lewis Hamilton? I would guess that you could also find where Vettel has done it, but I can't think of an instance right at the moment.Exediron wrote: (Ironically enough, a certain 4-time WDC has done both of those things, so you can't really say the standard of driving in FE is that low...)
I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.
I wonder why nobody factors in that Rosberg's car was deregging and was losing 160hp, were was Hamilton supposed to go, just sit behind with the knowledge that which ever side he went Rosberg would move his car that way after he deliberately positioned his car in the middle of the track watching his mirrors to see what Hamilton was going to do?Exediron wrote:kleefton wrote:Yeah imo he's done it at Barcelona 16' While I understand this is not widely accepted, but for me he was the guilty party on that one.Exediron wrote:I don't believe Hamilton has ever taken out a teammate when running 1-2. Prost did, but you can't say it was down to clumsiness or stupidity, so it's not really the same thing.Fair enough, that could be counted. I personally viewed it as a racing incident, since Rosberg did force him onto the grass before the collision. It was still a stupid incident all around however, so it certainly qualifies for the 'Formula E drivers aren't any more amateurish than F1 champions' line of argument I started off with.Mort Canard wrote:Well a lot of people (including Niki and Toto) put much of the onus on Lewis for this one in Spain 2016.
Thanks for the heads up thegamerthegamer23 wrote:Sergey Sirotkin, who tested for Mahindra the sunday after the race, said he was impressed by those car's speed at 250 kW, despite the lack of aero!
They look proper quick in quali mode!
Some spectacular highlights
Gen 2 vs Gen 1 lap comparison
Next race, Santiago of Chile. Already next saturday, 26th January!
Source: Formula E