Loads of things on that spectrum go on in F1 just a bit more subtle.pokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote:Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.pokerman wrote: It's not fairer because it's looking to handicap the more successful drivers, this is not what true sporting events should be about.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote:Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.pokerman wrote: It's not fairer because it's looking to handicap the more successful drivers, this is not what true sporting events should be about.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote:Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.pokerman wrote: It's not fairer because it's looking to handicap the more successful drivers, this is not what true sporting events should be about.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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But FE aren't giving anyone specific a sporting advantage. Just doing something to make things a little harder for the front runners. F1 has a long history of doing that to. Just look at the 2003. A whole package of sporting changes with the main focus of making it harder for Ferrari to win all the time.pokerman wrote:That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote:Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.pokerman wrote: It's not fairer because it's looking to handicap the more successful drivers, this is not what true sporting events should be about.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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The Q2 fresh tyres vs Q3 used qualy tyres does just that. The faster guy in 10th on the grid carries a tyre handicap over the slower guy in 11thpokerman wrote:That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote:Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.pokerman wrote: It's not fairer because it's looking to handicap the more successful drivers, this is not what true sporting events should be about.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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That's looking to equalise the cars, why the need to equalise the drivers in a series were the cars are very close in performance, it's just WWE, fake, It's so wonderful because the last 8 races have had 8 different winners.mikeyg123 wrote:But FE aren't giving anyone specific a sporting advantage. Just doing something to make things a little harder for the front runners. F1 has a long history of doing that to. Just look at the 2003. A whole package of sporting changes with the main focus of making it harder for Ferrari to win all the time.pokerman wrote:That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote: Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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Do I really care who finishes 10th, I'm specifically talking about handicapping potential race winners.mcdo wrote:The Q2 fresh tyres vs Q3 used qualy tyres does just that. The faster guy in 10th on the grid carries a tyre handicap over the slower guy in 11thpokerman wrote:That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.mikeyg123 wrote: Surely it's a fairer than a random lottery. Someone could end up in group 1 every race just by chance. At least with this system you are on a par with you direct championship rivals.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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Anyone in the top 10 starts on tyres from quali. That is a handicap. The entire purpose of the rule is to handicap potential winners.
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As mikeyg says it's everyone from 10th up to 1st (and the only drivers you appear to care about). They're all handicapped by virtue of being faster in qualifying. So yes, I'm specifically talking about potential race winnerspokerman wrote:Do I really care who finishes 10th, I'm specifically talking about handicapping potential race winners.mcdo wrote:The Q2 fresh tyres vs Q3 used qualy tyres does just that. The faster guy in 10th on the grid carries a tyre handicap over the slower guy in 11thpokerman wrote:That's not handicapping in the sense of giving someone else a sporting advantage.mcdo wrote:That's laughable. F1 has a long history in handicapping the team that has done the best job. Add in silly tyres and a desire for engine parity and cost caps and F1 actually is trying to handicap excellence. It always haspokerman wrote:Yes I see your point, still in what is essentially a pure driving series what's wrong with the best drivers winning, like I say only in motorsports do we see excellence needing to be handicapped for what I can only see as an attempt to attract casuals and for a purist like me it's just basically a watered down version of what racing should be about, thank god such things are not done presently in F1.
Each to his own though, I see myself as an outsider to something I can take or leave and if the supporters of the series are happy with this so be it.
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Just finished watching the replay. I thought they were using the full GP layout this year, so a little disappointed to see the short track, but great race.
Gutted for Bird, he drove such a great race making up all those places on track.
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Such a great race in the streets of Monaco, by Monaco standards
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It was about 3/4 through the race and I was thinking "this is weird, it has usually all kicked off by now". And then it all kicked off
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Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
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Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
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We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote:Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
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As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote:We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote:Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
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Completely different.pokerman wrote:As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote:We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote:Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
Not that banger racing isn't entertaining.
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that was a shame, but the layout of the track caused that, you can't have 20 cars that close together round a corner that tight on the start straight. There wad a similar thing in WTCC (I think) a few years ago, caused by bad track layout. Start the race after the chicane and the problem is solved.pokerman wrote:As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote:We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote:Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
But after the red flag, great race!
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Not really I don't find cars crashing into one another especially in multi-car incidents as being entertaining.mikeyg123 wrote:Completely different.pokerman wrote:As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote:We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote:Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.minchy wrote:Just caught up on the Bern race and WOW! What an amazing race!
Shame about the first lap, but that's a lot to do with the track design and that stupidly tight chicane on the start straight. Amazing racing between JEV and Evans right through though and a couple of really great overtakes from Bird and Lotterer. Really enjoyed that this morning and I doubt the French GP will be anywhere near that entertaining or exciting.
Not that banger racing isn't entertaining.
A point in case was last time out in MotoGP when Lorenzo took out Dovi, Rossi and Vinales on the first lap including himself, it ruined the race.
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Well nobody is asking you to like it. Fortunately we are all different and enjoy different things.pokerman wrote:Not really I don't find cars crashing into one another especially in multi-car incidents as being entertaining.mikeyg123 wrote:Completely different.pokerman wrote:As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote:We have and it was entertaining.pokerman wrote: Seriously, seeing the mass pile up seems more like amateur hour to me, I wouldn't want to see that sort of thing in F1.
Not that banger racing isn't entertaining.
A point in case was last time out in MotoGP when Lorenzo took out Dovi, Rossi and Vinales on the first lap including himself, it ruined the race.
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Whilst it's uncommon, multi-vehicle crashes will happen in most forms of motor racing. FE and F1 are not exceptions.
For what it's worth, I watched both races over the weekend and found them both to be entertaining, for different reasons.
For what it's worth, I watched both races over the weekend and found them both to be entertaining, for different reasons.
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I don't necessarily dislike it otherwise I would never watch it, however it seems to be alright to have the opinion that FE is better than F1 but not the opposite opinion it seems?mikeyg123 wrote:Well nobody is asking you to like it. Fortunately we are all different and enjoy different things.pokerman wrote:Not really I don't find cars crashing into one another especially in multi-car incidents as being entertaining.mikeyg123 wrote:Completely different.pokerman wrote:As entertaining as watching banger racing.mikeyg123 wrote: We have and it was entertaining.
Not that banger racing isn't entertaining.
A point in case was last time out in MotoGP when Lorenzo took out Dovi, Rossi and Vinales on the first lap including himself, it ruined the race.
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Indeed they both bring something different to the table.tootsie323 wrote:Whilst it's uncommon, multi-vehicle crashes will happen in most forms of motor racing. FE and F1 are not exceptions.
For what it's worth, I watched both races over the weekend and found them both to be entertaining, for different reasons.
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You can have whatever opinion you like. I prefer F1 personally but can't deny that FE is currently more exciting.pokerman wrote:I don't necessarily dislike it otherwise I would never watch it, however it seems to be alright to have the opinion that FE is better than F1 but not the opposite opinion it seems?mikeyg123 wrote:Well nobody is asking you to like it. Fortunately we are all different and enjoy different things.pokerman wrote:Not really I don't find cars crashing into one another especially in multi-car incidents as being entertaining.mikeyg123 wrote:Completely different.pokerman wrote: As entertaining as watching banger racing.
Not that banger racing isn't entertaining.
A point in case was last time out in MotoGP when Lorenzo took out Dovi, Rossi and Vinales on the first lap including himself, it ruined the race.
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Wow, that first NY race was awesome. Highly recommend anyone to watch it, very action packed.
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Yesterday's race was so good, so entertaining. Like Baku x10! So many head-in-hands moments. It was highly unlikely JEV wouldn't wrap up the title - and he didn't! On we go for one last hurrah this evening! Cannot bloody wait
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Brilliant race. I hope tonights is as action packed. FE always delivers on season finalees.