I didn't reply in the Hamilton thread because I was told off by a mod to end the discussion. I did my part and other people didn't, which is why that thread is now temporarily locked.FormulaFun wrote:Exediron has already set out his stall in the Hamilton fans thread where he's already denounced all Hamilton fans as hypocrites (despite himself having no issue with team orders until now by his own admission so... Pot meet kettle) still waiting for any quote from him following this message that a number of 'prominent' Hamilton fans have had a massive change of heart about team orders, when in fact Hamilton fans merely understand the reasoning whilst not necessarily supporting the swap.
A few things to set the record straight:
a) I don't believe all Hamilton fans are hypocrites - on this issue, which is the only issue I'm accusing them of being hypocritical on - and I made certain in my later posts to point that out. I will admit that I have no proof it's a majority, that's simply my feeling.
b) I have no issue with team orders when they're necessary and get the team something. As I said, my issue with this team order is that it is not necessary, and it was delivered in a duplicitous fashion. If the goal was actually to protect Hamilton's tyres, they would have let Bottas win after the threat from Vettel was gone.
I have spent the last decade listening to predominantly Hamilton supporters talk Vettel and Alonso down for relying on team orders, saying that Hamilton doesn't need #1 status, he doesn't need team orders, etc. After the race, I was interested to see if the majority seemed to be defending this use of team orders, or if they would object to them. What I've seen is a handful of Hamilton fans sticking to their guns and denouncing the team orders (as you would expect from their past statements) and the majority (to my impression) scrambling instead to justify them. That is what stood out to me as hypocritical, and what I called as such.
I remember the 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix. In that race, Hamilton was ordered to let Rosberg through for the sake of the team result. He refused the order, and was applauded by many (if not most, as I can't say that for certain) of his fans. That order was about protecting a result - a win - for the team. This order was about protecting a result for the team, but because it also favors Hamilton, his fans appear to be in favor of it. That's how I read the situation, and to me that's a double standard. When Hamilton didn't get team orders, it was something to attack his rivals with. Now that he does, team orders are fine as long as they're justifiable by criteria that just happen to fit here.
Earlier in this very season, Ferrari got slammed for ordering Kimi out of the way in Germany, something that made obvious sense to do. They were ridiculed before the race even began for the perceived tactics they would use to get Vettel ahead of Kimi at Monza. Those were apparently bad team orders. What makes this a good one? The need to protect a huge championship lead with the best or equal-best car? No, simply the fact that it happens to favor the right driver.
So, in summary: I don't believe that all Hamilton fans are hypocrites. But any Hamilton fan who supports the team order in Sochi and previously attacked Vettel, Alonso - or anyone else - for benefitting from team orders, is.
And we both know such people do exist.