Driver(s) of the Day - 2018 Italian Grand Prix
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:31 pm
For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
froze wrote:Hamilton, Raikkonen, Bottas, because:
Hamilton: Was hanging in there and managed to make it stick when it mattered.
Raikkonen: There is nothing he could've done better after being sandwiched by the Mercs. Not a foot wrong in the whole weekend, but lost to Merc's team effort.
Bottas: Basically the instigator in Hamilton's win. Did a tremendous favor for his teammate.
Verstappen for being competitive enough on a power track. Ricciardo was never close to him anywhere throughout the weekend.JN23 wrote:Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Lojik wrote:froze wrote:Hamilton, Raikkonen, Bottas, because:
Hamilton: Was hanging in there and managed to make it stick when it mattered.
Raikkonen: There is nothing he could've done better after being sandwiched by the Mercs. Not a foot wrong in the whole weekend, but lost to Merc's team effort.
Bottas: Basically the instigator in Hamilton's win. Did a tremendous favor for his teammate.
The other that impressed me with Lewis today was how feisty/aggressive he got at the start. I've not seen that from him for some time - maybe he knew he had to make a move at the start to have a chance of beating at least one Ferrari?Laz_T800 wrote:Voted, for the podium guys.
Best race from Lewis for many years.
I think Wolff gave the game away on that front on the grid pre race, he said the start was the oppertunity.JN23 wrote:The other that impressed me with Lewis today was how feisty/aggressive he got at the start. I've not seen that from him for some time - maybe he knew he had to make a move at the start to have a chance of beating at least one Ferrari?Laz_T800 wrote:Voted, for the podium guys.
Best race from Lewis for many years.
This for me. Hamilton for not putting a wheel wrong, Bottas for engineering the race win, and Grosjean for being best of the rest.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
Except when he was 4/10ths quicker than him in FP1 and a 10th slower in FP2.UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen for being competitive enough on a power track. Ricciardo was never close to him anywhere throughout the weekend.JN23 wrote:Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Wouldn't really read much into practice times, verstappen was deffo superior in terms of pace this time. Shame he doesn't have Riccardo's race craft. Not really a fan of verstappen tho tbh.Jezza13 wrote:Except when he was 4/10ths quicker than him in FP1 and a 10th slower in FP2.UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen for being competitive enough on a power track. Ricciardo was never close to him anywhere throughout the weekend.JN23 wrote:Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
In the context of the statement practice times are relevant.FormulaFun wrote:Wouldn't really read much into practice times, verstappen was deffo superior in terms of pace this time. Shame he doesn't have Riccardo's race craft. Not really a fan of verstappen tho tbh.Jezza13 wrote:Except when he was 4/10ths quicker than him in FP1 and a 10th slower in FP2.UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen for being competitive enough on a power track. Ricciardo was never close to him anywhere throughout the weekend.JN23 wrote:Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Sadly, I'm expecting Ricciardo's car to keep suffering issues. Red Bull will never digest the fact he's leaving them unceremoniously!Jezza13 wrote:Except when he was 4/10ths quicker than him in FP1 and a 10th slower in FP2.UnlikeUday wrote:Verstappen for being competitive enough on a power track. Ricciardo was never close to him anywhere throughout the weekend.JN23 wrote:Verstappen despite his dangerous/stupid move on Bottas?UnlikeUday wrote:For me,
Hamilton, Verstappen & Perez
Right on all points...froze wrote:Hamilton, Raikkonen, Bottas, because:
Hamilton: Was hanging in there and managed to make it stick when it mattered.
Raikkonen: There is nothing he could've done better after being sandwiched by the Mercs. Not a foot wrong in the whole weekend, but lost to Merc's team effort.
Bottas: Basically the instigator in Hamilton's win. Did a tremendous favor for his teammate.
froze wrote:Hamilton, Raikkonen, Bottas, because:
Yes, thank god for Bottas otherwise Hamilton would just be another also ran.... dont be silly, Hamilton was clearly the fastest guy out tere today. He didnt need anyones help.
Hamilton: Was hanging in there and managed to make it stick when it mattered.
Raikkonen: There is nothing he could've done better after being sandwiched by the Mercs. Not a foot wrong in the whole weekend, but lost to Merc's team effort.
Bottas: Basically the instigator in Hamilton's win. Did a tremendous favor for his teammate.
Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
If he hadn't had an awful first eight races then he could very easily be seventh ahead of Hulk. He's only seventeen points behind him.Mort Canard wrote:Hamilton & Raikkonen for the racelong battle at the front.
For being the best of the rest champion Grosjean. If he keeps this up he may keep his seat.
Honorable mention to Valtteri Bottas for keeping himself in competition today despite not being comfortable with the car today and having to drive to team orders.
Except Hamilton engineered his win, not Bottas. Bottas helped bunch them up but I think Hamilton would have caught and passed KR regardless.MB-BOB wrote:Right on all points...froze wrote:Hamilton, Raikkonen, Bottas, because:
Hamilton: Was hanging in there and managed to make it stick when it mattered.
Raikkonen: There is nothing he could've done better after being sandwiched by the Mercs. Not a foot wrong in the whole weekend, but lost to Merc's team effort.
Bottas: Basically the instigator in Hamilton's win. Did a tremendous favor for his teammate.
Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
I'm not entirely sure that Hamilton would have been able to get by Kimi if Kimi had just been in race management mode and taking care of his tires, instead of trying to get by Bottas. Probably could have gone either way.Flash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
There are many factors in a race but you categorically state that Hamilton would not have won without Bottas. I think that's silly. My opinion is that he was clearly the fastest guy out there and, as you state, he drove flawlessly. So I would credit him with the win, simple as that. You can speculate but it is Hamilton who raced and won. One Ferrari made an error and the other wasn't quite fast enough on the day.Flash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Silly to state that without Bottas he wouldn't have won.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
I tend to agree here. It was a combination of events. Hamilton drove well but the combination of Ferrari rear tyre wear (I say Ferrari as it happened to Vettel too) and Bottas holding Kimi up allowed Hamilton to catch Kimi and eventually pass him. Without those two events it's probable Kimi would have stayed out in frontFlash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
It's not silly to recognise factors at play. Nor does it discredit Hamilton to acknowledge that other events helped him secure his win. Bottas allowed Hamilton to close the gap, and then Kimi's struggles with the tyres allowed him to overtake. Without both of those factors it looked like Kimi had enough to secure the win, even though Hamilton did ultimately look fasterDash33 wrote:There are many factors in a race but you categorically state that Hamilton would not have won without Bottas. I think that's silly. My opinion is that he was clearly the fastest guy out there and, as you state, he drove flawlessly. So I would credit him with the win, simple as that. You can speculate but it is Hamilton who raced and won. One Ferrari made an error and the other wasn't quite fast enough on the day.Flash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Silly to state that without Bottas he wouldn't have won.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
Zoue wrote:It's not silly to recognise factors at play. Nor does it discredit Hamilton to acknowledge that other events helped him secure his win. Bottas allowed Hamilton to close the gap, and then Kimi's struggles with the tyres allowed him to overtake. Without both of those factors it looked like Kimi had enough to secure the win, even though Hamilton did ultimately look fasterDash33 wrote:There are many factors in a race but you categorically state that Hamilton would not have won without Bottas. I think that's silly. My opinion is that he was clearly the fastest guy out there and, as you state, he drove flawlessly. So I would credit him with the win, simple as that. You can speculate but it is Hamilton who raced and won. One Ferrari made an error and the other wasn't quite fast enough on the day.Flash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Silly to state that without Bottas he wouldn't have won.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
It's possible that he may have won, but it's equally possible that he may not have. Like it or not Bottas' actions and Kiimi's tyres did influence the outcome and the only real question is to what degree. It's hardly silly to take a position on thatDash33 wrote:Zoue wrote:It's not silly to recognise factors at play. Nor does it discredit Hamilton to acknowledge that other events helped him secure his win. Bottas allowed Hamilton to close the gap, and then Kimi's struggles with the tyres allowed him to overtake. Without both of those factors it looked like Kimi had enough to secure the win, even though Hamilton did ultimately look fasterDash33 wrote:There are many factors in a race but you categorically state that Hamilton would not have won without Bottas. I think that's silly. My opinion is that he was clearly the fastest guy out there and, as you state, he drove flawlessly. So I would credit him with the win, simple as that. You can speculate but it is Hamilton who raced and won. One Ferrari made an error and the other wasn't quite fast enough on the day.Flash2k11 wrote:
Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
Its not silly to take other factors in to account but to say he wouldn't have won without it is, in my opinion. I think he would have likely won without Bottas.
If you ask me Hamilton would have won anyway given how dramatically Kimi's tyres fell off the cliff at the end. We can point to the laps he spent following Bottas but I think it was more due to him being forced to push hard early on in the stint to match Hamilton's pace, after all Vettel had the same issues and Hamilton himself was able to follow Kimi for many laps without the dirty air giving him excessive tyre wear.Zoue wrote:I tend to agree here. It was a combination of events. Hamilton drove well but the combination of Ferrari rear tyre wear (I say Ferrari as it happened to Vettel too) and Bottas holding Kimi up allowed Hamilton to catch Kimi and eventually pass him. Without those two events it's probable Kimi would have stayed out in frontFlash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
It is of course possible that Kimi's tyres may have gone anyway, but they were undoubtedly hurt by the time he spent behind Bottas and he had a reasonably decent lead over Hamilton that he could afford to look after them properly without the added stress of having to do defensive driving. It's impossible to say to what extent, really. But if Kimi had not had the tyre issues then I think it's probable he would have stayed aheadj man wrote:If you ask me Hamilton would have won anyway given how dramatically Kimi's tyres fell off the cliff at the end. We can point to the laps he spent following Bottas but I think it was more due to him being forced to push hard early on in the stint to match Hamilton's pace, after all Vettel had the same issues and Hamilton himself was able to follow Kimi for many laps without the dirty air giving him excessive tyre wear.Zoue wrote:I tend to agree here. It was a combination of events. Hamilton drove well but the combination of Ferrari rear tyre wear (I say Ferrari as it happened to Vettel too) and Bottas holding Kimi up allowed Hamilton to catch Kimi and eventually pass him. Without those two events it's probable Kimi would have stayed out in frontFlash2k11 wrote:Behave, Kimi may well have burnt his tyres going for gold when undercutting Hamilton, but Bottas backing him up lap upon lap, his dirty air contributing to Kimi's tyre problem and then allowing Hamilton to close up quickly without taking the life out of his tyres absolute contributed to Hamilton winning.Dash33 wrote:Another silly comment. Bottas contributed as much to Hamiltons win as Hamilton? Personally I think that was as good a drive as Ive witnessed Hamilton deliver. No help from Bottas was required, even though some was given.Flash2k11 wrote:Went Hamilton, Bottas and Grosjean
Hamilton was flawless. Bottas did _the_ job on Raikonnen and contributed as much to the win as Hamilton himself. Grosjean for keeping it tidy and winning the B league.
As said, Hamilton was flawless, but flawless would not have been good enough today without help from firstly Ferrari, and secondly from Bottas.
I see people claiming that Hamilton won in an inferior car today but I don't believe that is the case. The Mercedes may have been slower but the Ferrari cannot be considered to have been the best car this weekend if it couldn't keep its tyres in shape over a normal race stint.