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got to think Ferrari and Merc are both turned down. VER only 6 tenths down despite being on the harder Soft tyre to their SuperSofts.

So Alonso's apparently on a Spec 1 chassis with limited upgrades and he's still outpacing Vandoorne handily

So the speed traps so far are FI - by quite a way - followed by Mercedes and then Ferrari. Which is a bit of a surprise

Ferraris looking pretty strong. Kimi just had a monster S3

Zoue wrote:got to think Ferrari and Merc are both turned down. VER only 6 tenths down despite being on the harder Soft tyre to their SuperSofts.

You called it.

Mercedes and Ferrari look closer than yesterday, could be a good qualifying today.

And Hamilton brings Mercedes back into the game. Interestingly, when compared to Vettel their S2 and S3 advantages cancel each other out, but HAM loses a tenth in S1

...and as I write that HAM goes purple in S1!

Bottas letting the side down a bit. He's really struggling so far and needs to pick things up for the WCC fight

FP3 done:


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It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Zoue wrote:So the speed traps so far are FI - by quite a way - followed by Mercedes and then Ferrari. Which is a bit of a surprise

Ocon's 341 km/h am sure came in a tow as he was starting his hot lap!

RIC apparently focusing on race sims as he's starting at the back of the grid anyway, so can't read too much into the gap to VER

Looking like a pretty tasty 3-way battle for pole. Bottas not looking comfortable at all and the others are neck and neck. Hard one to predict comfortably, this

Yesterday Sauber team had DRS issues. Today Hulk's car also had a DRS issue. Even when he entered the pitlane, the DRS was open. Have a feeling this is not the last time we'll be seeing a DRS related issue at Monza.

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

If Ferrari get a 1-2 here (assuming it's the "right" 1-2!), then they'll take the lead in both Championships. That would be a bit of a fairy tale at their home Grand Prix.!

Something tells me Hamilton may spoil that party, though...

F1_Ernie wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

I thought that's always been the rule, though. Am I wrong?

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

I thought that's always been the rule, though. Am I wrong?

I read that is was 2 for that particular corner, I don't actually know the rule. My opinion is just stick gravel everywhere and that will stop anyone taking advantage.

Have Sauber made a statement yet about what turned their car left when the DRS failed to close?

Fiki wrote:Have Sauber made a statement yet about what turned their car left when the DRS failed to close?

Ericsson will get a 10 place grid penalty for putting on a new engine. Ricciardo & Hulk will start from the back with their penalties.

Fiki wrote:Have Sauber made a statement yet about what turned their car left when the DRS failed to close?

I’d think that the brake balance would be completely off with the DRS open. Any time there’s too much forward bias in the brakes the back end will try try to overtake the the front it’s jus a matter of whether the steering wheel is turned a little one way or the other that determines which side it spins to.

F1_Ernie wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

They need a curb sausage curb or something there. It's ridiculous the amount of drivers we've seen driving clean off the circuit and not losing time because they can just keep their foot in.

Zoue wrote:If Ferrari get a 1-2 here (assuming it's the "right" 1-2!), then they'll take the lead in both Championships. That would be a bit of a fairy tale at their home Grand Prix.!

Something tells me Hamilton may spoil that party, though...

Hamilton is 17 points clear, the difference between 1st and 3rd is 10 points

Johnson wrote:

Zoue wrote:If Ferrari get a 1-2 here (assuming it's the "right" 1-2!), then they'll take the lead in both Championships. That would be a bit of a fairy tale at their home Grand Prix.!

Something tells me Hamilton may spoil that party, though...

Hamilton is 17 points clear, the difference between 1st and 3rd is 10 points

sorry you're correct. Somehow I got it into my head he was 7 points clear

RaggedMan wrote:

Fiki wrote:Have Sauber made a statement yet about what turned their car left when the DRS failed to close?

I’d think that the brake balance would be completely off with the DRS open. Any time there’s too much forward bias in the brakes the back end will try try to overtake the the front it’s jus a matter of whether the steering wheel is turned a little one way or the other that determines which side it spins to.

My first thought was also brakes, or perhaps brake balance. The DRS only closes when the brakes are already being operated, and the airflow still needs to re-attach to provide the 'normal' aerodynamic balance. So I was surprised all reports only mentioned the DRS, which I find hard to believe caused the accident. At Monza, Ericsson should have been able to run straight on, causing little more than a styrofoam snowstorm.

I hope we will learn more about this later on. Apart from the car veering left, I think the incident is a good reminder of how stupid putting DRS on the cars was.

Going by FP, Merc and Ferrari are virtually even in S1 and S2, with Ferrari ~0.2 up in S3. Neither are using full power yet, of course.

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

All the cars are running 2 wheels off the track, Vettel looked to be 4 wheels off the track.

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

pokerman wrote:It's just shown that Vettel exceeded track limits at parabolica yet again on his fastest lap.

Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

I thought that's always been the rule, though. Am I wrong?

No you are right.

pokerman wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote:

Zoue wrote:

F1_Ernie wrote: Apparently it's allowed as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track.

I thought you only needed one?!

One, well that's taking the p***. Whats the point in track limits.

I thought that's always been the rule, though. Am I wrong?

No you are right.

cheers

It's raining!

UnlikeUday wrote:Yesterday Sauber team had DRS issues. Today Hulk's car also had a DRS issue. Even when he entered the pitlane, the DRS was open. Have a feeling this is not the last time we'll be seeing a DRS related issue at Monza.

Yes and this worries me.

F1_Ernie wrote:It's raining!

Looked neck and neck in P3 in the dry, be interesting to see how the rain affects the pecking order. I assume neither Ferrari nor Mercedes will want to run too much wing given the race is supposed to be dry.

Did I see Hamilton overrunning the white lines twice during his first timed lap in Q1? I think I did. Vettel, I believe also ran out at least once. This is getting ridiculous.

Looks like Bottas may have found a bit of pace. At least he is within a tenth of Hamilton now. But will that continue. Anyhow. it will be impressive if either mercedes driver make the front row. Unless vettel or Kimi mess up.

Fiki wrote:Did I see Hamilton overrunning the white lines twice during his first timed lap in Q1? I think I did. Vettel, I believe also ran out at least once. This is getting ridiculous.

yep.. Saw that too

so we're a second off the lap record at the moment. Anyone think we may break it once the engines are turned up?

5:16 Raikkonen says he hit the kerb "pretty hard" in Turn 8 and asks Ferrari to check for floor damage.

uh-oh...