So, Red Bull win in Hungary and Vettel wins at Spa...

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So, Red Bull win in Hungary and Vettel wins at Spa...

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...at least if the current sequence of race winners is anything to go by!

Hamilton
Red Bull
Vettel
Hamilton
Red Bull
Vettel
Hamilton

That's the last seven race winners. The strange thing is, Red Bull would really fancy their chances in Hungary whilst a Vettel win at Spa seems like a strong possibility. Monza looks like somewhere where the sequence could be threatened (I'd fancy Ferrari over Mercedes) but if Merc did manage to win there, Singapore is the following race and another Red Bull might expect to be competitive at...

(I've no real reason for creating this thread other than to point out the above sequence, although I'm already looking forward to someone taking this way, way too seriously :lol: )
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Re: So, Red Bull win in Hungary and Vettel wins at Spa...

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Should tweet this to David Croft, he loves trivia like this. On second thoughts don't or he wont shut up about it and will make countless lame jokes.

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Re: So, Red Bull win in Hungary and Vettel wins at Spa...

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Hamilton and Vettel also have the same results in the last 5 races - 93 points.

1,2,3,5,ret

Some championships are basic, with each driver coming home 1st, 2nd each race weekend. This one is starting feel like 2008 where races are decided by craziness at least every other weekend and the two contenders often out of position for numerous reasons. We have had 3 routine pole to win races in 11. Spain, France and Canada. All others have had drama.

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Johnson wrote:Hamilton and Vettel also have the same results in the last 5 races - 93 points.

1,2,3,5,ret

Some championships are basic, with each driver coming home 1st, 2nd each race weekend. This one is starting feel like 2008 where races are decided by craziness at least every other weekend and the two contenders often out of position for numerous reasons. We have had 3 routine pole to win races in 11. Spain, France and Canada. All others have had drama.
This leads to the question of who will be this season's Timo Glock :lol:

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On the topic of runs, I can not remember the last time the leader crashed to DNF'd unopposed (i.e. not a collision). It happened quite a few times in the 1990's with Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard but I can't think of one in the 2000's. Does anybody know?

Actually, just remembered Alonso at Canada in 2005. Anything more recent?

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Also on topic of sequences;

Can anybody name the 7 races that were won from further back than Hamilton yesterday and why it occurred?

To start it off;

18th - Alonso, crashgate


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Johnson wrote:On the topic of runs, I can not remember the last time the leader crashed to DNF'd unopposed (i.e. not a collision). It happened quite a few times in the 1990's with Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard but I can't think of one in the 2000's. Does anybody know?

Actually, just remembered Alonso at Canada in 2005. Anything more recent?
The most famous one has to be Senna in Monaco.

Was Lewis leading in China 2007? I cannot remember from memory.

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Johnson wrote:Also on topic of sequences;

Can anybody name the 7 races that were won from further back than Hamilton yesterday and why it occurred?

To start it off;

18th - Alonso, crashgate


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22nd - John Watson, McLaren, Long Beach 1983
17th - John Watson, McLaren, Detroit 1982

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Siao7 wrote:
Johnson wrote:On the topic of runs, I can not remember the last time the leader crashed to DNF'd unopposed (i.e. not a collision). It happened quite a few times in the 1990's with Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard but I can't think of one in the 2000's. Does anybody know?

Actually, just remembered Alonso at Canada in 2005. Anything more recent?
The most famous one has to be Senna in Monaco.

Was Lewis leading in China 2007? I cannot remember from memory.
No Raikkonen had already overtaken him

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Johnson wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Johnson wrote:On the topic of runs, I can not remember the last time the leader crashed to DNF'd unopposed (i.e. not a collision). It happened quite a few times in the 1990's with Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard but I can't think of one in the 2000's. Does anybody know?

Actually, just remembered Alonso at Canada in 2005. Anything more recent?
The most famous one has to be Senna in Monaco.

Was Lewis leading in China 2007? I cannot remember from memory.
No Raikkonen had already overtaken him
Ah, ok, thanks. I couldn't remember it, I know he was struggling with the tires but I wasn't sure if Kimi had passed or not.

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Hard to compare periods in F1 as earlier there was no Safety car to annul the time between the drivers.
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Johnson wrote:Also on topic of sequences;

Can anybody name the 7 races that were won from further back than Hamilton yesterday and why it occurred?

To start it off;

18th - Alonso, crashgate


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Alonso was 15th according to Wikipedia

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My bad, sorry. I got the 18th from another thread and took it as correct. So who is the 18th?

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I could have sworn it was Kimi at Suzuka in 2007 but apparently, he started 17th that day.

Rubens started from 18th in Hockenheim 2000 I believe and won.

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Johnson wrote:Also on topic of sequences;

Can anybody name the 7 races that were won from further back than Hamilton yesterday and why it occurred?

To start it off;

18th - Alonso, crashgate


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15th: Alonso (Singapore '08)
16th: Jackie Stewart (South Africa '73) and Michael Schumacher (Belgium '95)
17th: John Watson (USA '82) and Kimi Raikkonen (Japan '05)
18th: Rubens Barrichello (Germany '00)
19th: Bill Vukovich (Indy 500 in '54)
22nd: John Watson (USA '83)

Quite a few before my time, but the occasions it has happened since the '90s have basically all been someone in a front-running car ending up out of position on the grid due to rain (Schumi and Kimi) or mechanical problems (Rubens and Lewis) in quali. Oh and crashgate, but I'd ignore that because of how very artificial it was.
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Johnson wrote:Also on topic of sequences;

Can anybody name the 7 races that were won from further back than Hamilton yesterday and why it occurred?

To start it off;

18th - Alonso, crashgate


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John Watson is in there twice isn't he? Kimi Suzuka 2005. And I guess Fisichella Brazil 2003

Can't think of the other two

edit: Wow Fisi wasn't one of them
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Watson and Lauda started 22nd and 23rd in the 1983 US GP and went on to smash the field ending up 1st and 2nd by a large margin. From what I read earlier it seemed to be a case of messing up setup for Qualy but nailing it going into the race. By coincidence, I happened to be reading about this on Quora. It's the furthest back anyone has ever started from and won (assuming the poster on that site was correct, which I believe they are).

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I don't think it's that unlikely - in fact at this point I've tipped them as outsiders to win it. Hungaroring has historically favoured the Red Bull car, even in recent years. It's also proven to be one of Ricciardo's best tracks (along with Monaco).
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