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Ocon wrote:

VDV23 wrote:

blhsing wrote:Hamilton much faster on much older tyres. His pace is simply unparalleled.

Bottas had the faster card w/ 11 laps fresher tyres but his job was not to challenge HAM but to keep Kimi at bay. So simply unparalleled is quite the hyperbole.

If that's the case, why did he try to pass him? I agree his pace is unparalled.

The order came ~T4, and that's when he backed off.

mikeyg123 wrote:Did Hamilton or Mercedes make the decision to not pit under the safety car?

I need to listen to the radio message again but kind of neither. It sounded like they called him in, then told him to stay out, then got back on the radio to say come in again but by that point he had got past the pit entry so couldn't box.

They were just lucky he had got past the pit entry when they called him in the second time.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

Bottas would have been a sitting duck on old softs for Kimi and Max... Lewis not pitting is the turning point there. I reckon they gave him the first few corners to have a go at Hamilton and then called time on it when it looked like they were going to get really racey.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

Bottas did not have the pace to pass Lewis at the end. All he might have done is cause a crash. He only got a run because he had a good restart. Once the tires were up to temperature, he was way off Hamilton's pace.

As far as the stops, Mercedes seemed to be totally confused. They completely screwed it up. They didn't have Bottas's tires ready and really, they should have stacked them and put both of them on new tires. They actually told Hamilton to come in but he didn't! If he had come in, he would not have won the race.

"For those that don't know me, now they do"..............

One things for certain, I know a spoiled excuse of a racing driver when I see one and LUCK is a fickle mistress............., he will never be top of my list.

F1nut wrote:"For those that don't know me, now they do"..............

One things for certain, I know a spoiled excuse of a racing driver when I see one and LUCK is a fickle mistress............., he will never be top of my list.

Drove pretty well regardless. Even if he'd finished second it'd have been a great drive.

Anyone complaining about either Ferrari or Mercedes using team orders in that race must be pretty out of touch. In both cases it was pure common sense.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

It was a no brainer. He would've finished 4th without the stop. Remember they tried to pit Hamilton as well but he bailed.

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

I'm not laughing at vettel and took no joy in him crashing. I actually wanted to see how it would have played out with lewis and vettel

F1nut wrote:"For those that don't know me, now they do"..............

One things for certain, I know a spoiled excuse of a racing driver when I see one and LUCK is a fickle mistress............., he will never be top of my list.

Sometimes I think he tries to portray the deep, philosophical thinking side of his idol a tad too much and comes up a bit short.

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Literally not one person in here laughing at Vettel. Not one.

sandman1347 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

Bottas did not have the pace to pass Lewis at the end. All he might have done is cause a crash. He only got a run because he had a good restart. Once the tires were up to temperature, he was way off Hamilton's pace.

As far as the stops, Mercedes seemed to be totally confused. They completely screwed it up. They didn't have Bottas's tires ready and really, they should have stacked them and put both of them on new tires. They actually told Hamilton to come in but he didn't! If he had come in, he would not have won the race.

I think it is a bit silly to colclude he was well off the pace after he got told not to pass. He knew all he had to do was get 2nd. So he didn't need to take any risks at all and just hold Kimi off, which he did.

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Well Hamilton can't control how his fans feel. And it's a bit different to laugh at Lewis who didn't have any control of the events vs Vettel now crashing by himself.

Stay classy Coulthard, as always.

Stir up Ferrari team orders but pretend the Merc one never happened.

chetan_rao wrote:Stay classy Coulthard, as always.

Stir up Ferrari team orders but pretend the Merc one never happened.

I think you can thank Kimi for making absolutely sure which set of team orders would be the most talked about after the race.

mikeyg123 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

It was a no brainer. He would've finished 4th without the stop. Remember they tried to pit Hamilton as well but he bailed.

fair enough.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

sandman1347 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

Bottas did not have the pace to pass Lewis at the end. All he might have done is cause a crash. He only got a run because he had a good restart. Once the tires were up to temperature, he was way off Hamilton's pace.

As far as the stops, Mercedes seemed to be totally confused. They completely screwed it up. They didn't have Bottas's tires ready and really, they should have stacked them and put both of them on new tires. They actually told Hamilton to come in but he didn't! If he had come in, he would not have won the race.

I think it is a bit silly to colclude he was well off the pace after he got told not to pass. He knew all he had to do was get 2nd. So he didn't need to take any risks at all and just hold Kimi off, which he did.

No he actually dropped back into Kimi's DRS range several laps after the order. He was never within range of Hamilton's times. He was not on his pace at all. You should be honest about this instead of constantly looking for anything to prop up Bottas.

F1nut wrote:Inappropriate post removed.

Wow, I see you like your grapes extra sour?

It's pouring cats & dogs now. Would've turned the race upside down had such weather come earlier.

Toby. wrote:Drove pretty well regardless. Even if he'd finished second it'd have been a great drive.

I have NEVER been unimpressed with his driving, he's a "great" driver behind the wheel of a F1 car, IMHO.

Flash2k11 wrote:

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Literally not one person in here laughing at Vettel. Not one.

Did you watch the race and the spectators? Why pretending?

I do think Bottas was quite a bit slower, not only in those final laps where he actually had fresher tyres than Hamilton, but even in the 1st stint after Ham sliced through the field he was faster than Bottas who had a steady, clean race at the front.
Then at the end, ok you hold station, but you don't want to fall back 3-4 seconds behind and 1 sec to the one behind and risk an attack...He also locked up once. I don't think he was taking easy.

Lt. Drebin wrote:

Flash2k11 wrote:

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Literally not one person in here laughing at Vettel. Not one.

Did you watch the race and the spectators? Why pretending?

Yes, I did watch the race. Quite what that has to do with me saying that not one person in here is laughing at Vettel is beyond me.

Lt. Drebin wrote:

Flash2k11 wrote:

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Literally not one person in here laughing at Vettel. Not one.

Did you watch the race and the spectators? Why pretending?

Were they supporting Mercedes more than Vettel?

Lt. Drebin wrote:

Flash2k11 wrote:

Lt. Drebin wrote:Hamilton yesterday: "To those who take joy in seeing other people fail or suffer, I feel for you.'"

His fans today: "Who cares, let's laugh at Vettel."

Literally not one person in here laughing at Vettel. Not one.

Did you watch the race and the spectators? Why pretending?

I actually thought they were more Verstappen's fans than Hamilton's.

Well that was quite the spectacle

F1nut wrote:"For those that don't know me, now they do"..............

One things for certain, I know a spoiled excuse of a racing driver when I see one and LUCK is a fickle mistress............., he will never be top of my list.

Some aren't enjoying the turn of events today.

sandman1347 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

sandman1347 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:what i don't get is why they pitted Bottas and then tell him not to pass Hamilton. Was it a way to allow hamilton through? 'm not saying Hmilton didn't deserve the win, but again, Bottas has to suffer from not being able to try and attempt to pass throughout the rest of the race. At this stage of the championship, I guess it was right to limit what Bottas did. But again, given he had a chance to win before he pitted, I'm unsure the reason why things went the way they did. Unlucky again.

Bottas did not have the pace to pass Lewis at the end. All he might have done is cause a crash. He only got a run because he had a good restart. Once the tires were up to temperature, he was way off Hamilton's pace.

As far as the stops, Mercedes seemed to be totally confused. They completely screwed it up. They didn't have Bottas's tires ready and really, they should have stacked them and put both of them on new tires. They actually told Hamilton to come in but he didn't! If he had come in, he would not have won the race.

I think it is a bit silly to colclude he was well off the pace after he got told not to pass. He knew all he had to do was get 2nd. So he didn't need to take any risks at all and just hold Kimi off, which he did.

No he actually dropped back into Kimi's DRS range several laps after the order. He was never within range of Hamilton's times. He was not on his pace at all. You should be honest about this instead of constantly looking for anything to prop up Bottas.

still have no clue what proof you have. Why did Bottas need to take any risks at all. There wasn't any point driving close to Hamilton if he knew the team didn't want him to pass. The speed he dropped off showed that he must ahve chosen too. Then it remained just under 4 seconds for several laps. Mercedes clearly told Bottas not to push. From what you are saying, it seems like you don't even know this. Sorry to say, but if you think I'm defending Bottas too much, I think you need to at least mention that he was told to not challenge Hamilton. There is no evidence what Bottas's pace will have been at this stage if no orders had beed used. It wasn't the start along that Bottas looked better at. It was over quit a bit of the first lap. Hamilton did a great job at defending, but when Bottas got this message, he responded instantly. You can't compare the pace after that.

That shot of the pit straight post-podium.

May have needed a red flag for low visibility if the storm had arrived 20-30 mins earlier. Wallpaper-grade image, but not racing conditions.

Jezza13 wrote:

F1nut wrote:"For those that don't know me, now they do"..............

One things for certain, I know a spoiled excuse of a racing driver when I see one and LUCK is a fickle mistress............., he will never be top of my list.

Sometimes I think he tries to portray the deep, philosophical thinking side of his idol a tad too much and comes up a bit short.

Hamilton needs to prove nothing anymore, and his comments like this are not necessary, except he has some issues with himself.

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That hamilton radio call for the 2nd stop could have been a disater had hamilton not stayed out

Flash2k11 wrote:

chetan_rao wrote:Stay classy Coulthard, as always.

Stir up Ferrari team orders but pretend the Merc one never happened.

I think you can thank Kimi for making absolutely sure which set of team orders would be the most talked about after the race.

Oh for heaven's sake... Well, at least we now know that Mercedes are as weak as Ferrari when it comes to team orders. And it would have been interesting to have seen Nico do the interviews. Coulthard isn't worth listening to - and I never thought I would ever have to say so.

...Anyone fancy joining me with a few industrial sized super soakers at the Hungaroring? A repeat of this sort of race would be awesome!

Who on earth cares who laughed at who? There is alwaysan element of schadenfraude in sport and motorsport. I'll leave that sort of thing to the twitter stans.

Merc needed that fortune as Hungary is probably going to ve a tricky race for them. Their best bet may be Red Bull disrupting Ferrari, doesn't seem likely though.

Fiki wrote:

Flash2k11 wrote:

chetan_rao wrote:Stay classy Coulthard, as always.

Stir up Ferrari team orders but pretend the Merc one never happened.

I think you can thank Kimi for making absolutely sure which set of team orders would be the most talked about after the race.

Oh for heaven's sake... Well, at least we now know that Mercedes are as weak as Ferrari when it comes to team orders. And it would have been interesting to have seen Nico do the interviews. Coulthard isn't worth listening to - and I never thought I would ever have to say so.

Coulthard publicly asking Kimi about team orders should've gotten only 1 answer - Bwoah!!!!!

Fiki wrote:

Flash2k11 wrote:

chetan_rao wrote:Stay classy Coulthard, as always.

Stir up Ferrari team orders but pretend the Merc one never happened.

I think you can thank Kimi for making absolutely sure which set of team orders would be the most talked about after the race.

Oh for heaven's sake... Well, at least we now know that Mercedes are as weak as Ferrari when it comes to team orders. And it would have been interesting to have seen Nico do the interviews. Coulthard isn't worth listening to - and I never thought I would ever have to say so.

Do you think i'm wrong to say it? Kimi making Clear absolutely spell it out for him absolutely guarenteed that it was going to be analysed post race by all and sundry. Bottas took his order with minimum fuss.

P-F1 Mod wrote:...Anyone fancy joining me with a few industrial sized super soakers at the Hungaroring? A repeat of this sort of race would be awesome!

Makes bernies sprinkler idea seem not that crazy after all

It was exciting race. I think Ferrari called Kimi so early to block Hamilton but apparently he was not going to stop and was ahead of Vettel. I think Vettel was behaving like a cry baby. He should have got to DRS zone and overtake like a deserving champion rather than complaining about loosing temp on his tyres. Anyways it was pretty shocking that he crashed as he is one of the best in such conditions.

Not sure how Vandoorne from last finished higher. I thought he had some car problem and Alonso finished last instead

Mayhem wrote:That hamilton radio call for the 2nd stop could have been a disater had hamilton not stayed out

I know, but he overruled them last second, that's how smart he is.