2018 German Grand Prix Race Thread

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:11 pm

Tomorrow's going to be an exciting race!

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:33 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:Tomorrow's going to be an exciting race!

It should be.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:55 pm

Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:33 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:13 pm

Invade wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.

I know that some reports have changed since I wrote this, but this is basically true that drivers do tend to get a lot more votes if they happen to fall back then climb up again. Just because that happens (and even when it is the drivers fault that they are low down), it isn't enough of a reason to me to vote them over their team mate if their team mate has been solid up at the front but not much has changed. Just saying this as it has happened a lot with many drivers in the past on this thread.

Thebusinessmuppet · Post by **Thebusinessmuppet** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 pm

What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:02 am

There are 2 contradicting weather reports for the race today:

- The temperature might be close to 30 degrees C making it a hot afternoon. As per Friday runs which were run in similar temperature, the tyres were suffering as bad as they did in Austria. There was heavy blistering on the rear tyres on Friday. This means those starting on Ultrasofts will not be able to retain their tyres for long. Most of the teams will also opt for 2 stop strategies due to heavy tyre wear.

- There is a good chance of thundershowers during the 1st half of the race.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:37 am

Race tyre sets available for each driver:

Source - www.imgur.com

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:40 am

Provisional Grid:

1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Max Verstappen Red Bull
5 Kevin Magnussen Haas
6 Romain Grosjean Haas
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault
8 Carlos Sainz Renault
9 Charles Leclerc Sauber
10 Sergio Perez Force India
11 Fernando Alonso McLaren
12 Sergey Sirotkin Williams
13 Marcus Ericsson Sauber
14 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
15 Esteban Ocon Force India
16 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso
17 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso
18 Lance Stroll Williams
19 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren
20 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:29 am

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:31 am

JN23 wrote:
Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:33 am

Black_Flag_11 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.
They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

Lt. Drebin · Post by **Lt. Drebin** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:51 am

JN23 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.
They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.
Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:53 am

Lt. Drebin wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.
They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.
Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.
So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?

Not necessarily because that means your original three engines are all going to be the same spec then

Lt. Drebin · Post by **Lt. Drebin** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:27 am

JN23 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.
They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.
Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.
So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?
Not necessarily because that means your original three engines are all going to be the same spec then

Yes, I forgot that moment.

Llotyhy · Post by **Llotyhy** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:59 am

Gasly will start from the pitlane.

Llotyhy · Post by **Llotyhy** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:37 am

He tweets that he'll start last, so I think he'll be on the grid after all. They changed everything except the battery.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 am

Nat Pinkham looking stunning as usual wearing a lovely off the shoulder floral number while giving us a great insight to the expected weather outlook for the race.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:03 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/BerrageizF1/ ... 65728?s=19

Lojik · Post by **Lojik** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:25 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/BerrageizF1/ ... 65728?s=19

Oh dear, I guess they can sort that before race start, else we are going to see (hear) a very grumpy Hamilton.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:27 pm

This program on sky with Button and Hamilton. In the back of a car. Are they on a private road or something? as they are not wearing any seat belts and look to be going at a reasonable speed. Maybe it is staged and the road is closed off. Are they actually in the car to get somewhere ir purely just for show?

Post by **Mod Titanium** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:28 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/BerrageizF1/ ... 65728?s=19

^^^^^ Some context to go along with the link would be a lot more helpful

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:29 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

I have never seen a driver take comfort in DOTD standings even when they dragged a car from the back of the pack to a podium finish. Look at Lewis at Silverstone. All the fans were happy over a great drive and all Lewis could see is that he had been deprived of a sure victory.

Yes, voters will often give their votes to a driver who carves his way forward after starting at the back. Such drives are often sited as a measure of a drivers greatness at being able to overcome adversity. Given today's difficulty with passing, a pole position to checkered flag victory is often seen as a snoozer. Still no driver will ever start any farther back than he has to just so he can achieve a greater degree of glory in the eyes of the press or the fans.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:35 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Invade wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.
I know that some reports have changed since I wrote this, but this is basically true that drivers do tend to get a lot more votes if they happen to fall back then climb up again. Just because that happens (and even when it is the drivers fault that they are low down), it isn't enough of a reason to me to vote them over their team mate if their team mate has been solid up at the front but not much has changed. Just saying this as it has happened a lot with many drivers in the past on this thread.

Well obviously. Hamilton will have to do more right to finish third today than Bottas will to finish second. Assuming a straight forward race.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:36 pm

Mort Canard wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time
I have never seen a driver take comfort in DOTD standings even when they dragged a car from the back of the pack to a podium finish. Look at Lewis at Silverstone. All the fans were happy over a great drive and all Lewis could see is that he had been deprived of a sure victory.

Yes, voters will often give their votes to a driver who carves his way forward after starting at the back. Such drives are often sited as a measure of a drivers greatness at being able to overcome adversity. Given today's difficulty with passing, a pole position to checkered flag victory is often seen as a snoozer. Still no driver will ever start any farther back than he has to just so he can achieve a greater degree of glory in the eyes of the press or the fans.

i do know that they wouldn't do this yes. But it was like Brazil last year. On another site, hamilton got the DOTW vote. He finished 2 places behind Bottas due to his own mistake. Bottas's weekend was clearly better and he got vertually no votes compared to Hamilton despite getting pole. That is my point. I first thought this mistake yesterday was Hamilton's cause. I still think he is partially to blame for this.It often is the case that drivers at the back that climb up get more votes. But yes, no driver would try to do this. Obviously.

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:38 pm

I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:41 pm

purchville wrote:I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!

Watch it rain when the race finishes

Post by **P-F1 Mod** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:44 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:
purchville wrote:I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!
Watch it rain when the race finishes

Now, are we talking rain after the flag, or Brazil 2008 style?

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Seems that all of the top ten teams are starting on the UltraSofts. If the USs go off pretty quickly, (especially in hot conditions) a lot of them could end up fighing their way through back markers who started on the softs.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:02 pm

Feel like Bottas will win this one. Either off the start or through the pit stop phase.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:02 pm

Please rain.

Please, please, please.

Huw · Post by **Huw** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:05 pm

What the heck were they thinking about with that totally ghastly mangling of the National Anthem. Total contrast to the classy anthem ceremony by the French the other week.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:08 pm

Tyres being used at the start:

Source - www.imgur.com

neek · Post by **neek** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:10 pm

ready...steady...

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:12 pm

Jezza13 wrote:Please rain.

Please, please, please.

Look at the clouds!!!!!!!!!! Your wish may turn true.

neek · Post by **neek** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:14 pm

awesome start from all!

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:15 pm

neek wrote:awesome start from all!

congrats to all drivers that what we like to see

neek · Post by **neek** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:15 pm

spots of rain

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Kimi reporting rain on his visor.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:17 pm

Alonso actually just letting Hamilton pass. So frustrating to watch.