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UnlikeUday wrote:Tomorrow's going to be an exciting race!

It should be.

Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.

Invade wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.

I know that some reports have changed since I wrote this, but this is basically true that drivers do tend to get a lot more votes if they happen to fall back then climb up again. Just because that happens (and even when it is the drivers fault that they are low down), it isn't enough of a reason to me to vote them over their team mate if their team mate has been solid up at the front but not much has changed. Just saying this as it has happened a lot with many drivers in the past on this thread.

What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

There are 2 contradicting weather reports for the race today:

- The temperature might be close to 30 degrees C making it a hot afternoon. As per Friday runs which were run in similar temperature, the tyres were suffering as bad as they did in Austria. There was heavy blistering on the rear tyres on Friday. This means those starting on Ultrasofts will not be able to retain their tyres for long. Most of the teams will also opt for 2 stop strategies due to heavy tyre wear.

- There is a good chance of thundershowers during the 1st half of the race.

Race tyre sets available for each driver:


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Provisional Grid:

1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Max Verstappen Red Bull
5 Kevin Magnussen Haas
6 Romain Grosjean Haas
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault
8 Carlos Sainz Renault
9 Charles Leclerc Sauber
10 Sergio Perez Force India
11 Fernando Alonso McLaren
12 Sergey Sirotkin Williams
13 Marcus Ericsson Sauber
14 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
15 Esteban Ocon Force India
16 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso
17 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso
18 Lance Stroll Williams
19 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren
20 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

JN23 wrote:

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

JN23 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?

Lt. Drebin wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Thebusinessmuppet wrote:What will Mercedes do? starting 14th is pretty risky. I would not be surprised if they replace the gearbox and start at the back. It all depends on how bad the gearbox and PU suffered due to the bumps and the hydraulic leaks.

Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?

Not necessarily because that means your original three engines are all going to be the same spec then

JN23 wrote:

Lt. Drebin wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote:
Yeah agree, realistically they'll still be able to finish P5/6 at worst and I think they'd start ahead of Ricciardo as Hamilton was ahead of him officially from memory. Get another PU in the bank too.

They can't get another PU in the bank because they've only used 2 so far so the next will be their 3rd, which doesn't incur any penalty. They'll only get the penalty when they put in the 4th.

Oh yes, good point. If they're confident there is no issue with the PU/gearbox then they should just start 14th then.

So, in hindsight, it is wise to use 3 engines in first three races, and then just wait for the chance to get 4th and 5th for "free"?

Not necessarily because that means your original three engines are all going to be the same spec then

Yes, I forgot that moment.

Gasly will start from the pitlane.

He tweets that he'll start last, so I think he'll be on the grid after all. They changed everything except the battery.

Nat Pinkham looking stunning as usual wearing a lovely off the shoulder floral number while giving us a great insight to the expected weather outlook for the race.

F1_Ernie wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/BerrageizF1/ ... 65728?s=19

Oh dear, I guess they can sort that before race start, else we are going to see (hear) a very grumpy Hamilton.

This program on sky with Button and Hamilton. In the back of a car. Are they on a private road or something? as they are not wearing any seat belts and look to be going at a reasonable speed. Maybe it is staged and the road is closed off. Are they actually in the car to get somewhere ir purely just for show?

F1_Ernie wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/BerrageizF1/ ... 65728?s=19

^^^^^ Some context to go along with the link would be a lot more helpful

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

I have never seen a driver take comfort in DOTD standings even when they dragged a car from the back of the pack to a podium finish. Look at Lewis at Silverstone. All the fans were happy over a great drive and all Lewis could see is that he had been deprived of a sure victory.

Yes, voters will often give their votes to a driver who carves his way forward after starting at the back. Such drives are often sited as a measure of a drivers greatness at being able to overcome adversity. Given today's difficulty with passing, a pole position to checkered flag victory is often seen as a snoozer. Still no driver will ever start any farther back than he has to just so he can achieve a greater degree of glory in the eyes of the press or the fans.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

Invade wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

Relax.

I know that some reports have changed since I wrote this, but this is basically true that drivers do tend to get a lot more votes if they happen to fall back then climb up again. Just because that happens (and even when it is the drivers fault that they are low down), it isn't enough of a reason to me to vote them over their team mate if their team mate has been solid up at the front but not much has changed. Just saying this as it has happened a lot with many drivers in the past on this thread.

Well obviously. Hamilton will have to do more right to finish third today than Bottas will to finish second. Assuming a straight forward race.

Mort Canard wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Hamilton has now given himself the chance to get a huge chunk of the DOTD votes. Probably will get more than Bottas if he finishes in the top 5 and Bottas finishes where he started. if drivers want to get votes on this site, they will know starting lower down the grid on a track that is not too hard to overtake on will likely get them plenty compared to keeping it clean and staying near the top the whole time

I have never seen a driver take comfort in DOTD standings even when they dragged a car from the back of the pack to a podium finish. Look at Lewis at Silverstone. All the fans were happy over a great drive and all Lewis could see is that he had been deprived of a sure victory.

Yes, voters will often give their votes to a driver who carves his way forward after starting at the back. Such drives are often sited as a measure of a drivers greatness at being able to overcome adversity. Given today's difficulty with passing, a pole position to checkered flag victory is often seen as a snoozer. Still no driver will ever start any farther back than he has to just so he can achieve a greater degree of glory in the eyes of the press or the fans.

i do know that they wouldn't do this yes. But it was like Brazil last year. On another site, hamilton got the DOTW vote. He finished 2 places behind Bottas due to his own mistake. Bottas's weekend was clearly better and he got vertually no votes compared to Hamilton despite getting pole. That is my point. I first thought this mistake yesterday was Hamilton's cause. I still think he is partially to blame for this.It often is the case that drivers at the back that climb up get more votes. But yes, no driver would try to do this. Obviously.

I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!

purchville wrote:I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!

Watch it rain when the race finishes

F1_Ernie wrote:

purchville wrote:I might be a bit hopeful, but...

Please rain!

Watch it rain when the race finishes

Now, are we talking rain after the flag, or Brazil 2008 style?

Seems that all of the top ten teams are starting on the UltraSofts. If the USs go off pretty quickly, (especially in hot conditions) a lot of them could end up fighing their way through back markers who started on the softs.

Feel like Bottas will win this one. Either off the start or through the pit stop phase.

Please rain.

Please, please, please.

What the heck were they thinking about with that totally ghastly mangling of the National Anthem. Total contrast to the classy anthem ceremony by the French the other week.

Tyres being used at the start:


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ready...steady...

Jezza13 wrote:Please rain.

Please, please, please.

Look at the clouds!!!!!!!!!! Your wish may turn true.

awesome start from all!

neek wrote:awesome start from all!

congrats to all drivers that what we like to see

spots of rain

Kimi reporting rain on his visor.

Alonso actually just letting Hamilton pass. So frustrating to watch.