2018 German Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:43 pm
Yup Europe is still flaming hot!Mr-E wrote:Is it expected to as bloody hot as in rest of Europe?
I take it, that you didn't attend a race at the old Hockenheim circuit, did you?Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
Well, no - it's in Europe, and I'm over here in America, for a start. I haven't attended a race at the new one either.zaar wrote:I take it, that you didn't attend a race at the old Hockenheim circuit, did you?Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
Actually it may not have been. The cars ran so little downforce anyway that opening the DRS wouldn't decrease drag that much so it wouldn't have much effect. It's what we see at Monza.Flash2k11 wrote:I can only imagine how stupidly overpowered DRS would be on the old Hockenheim layout; the slipstream effect with these cars would be incredible by itself....
Probably because it hasn't been released yetKingVoid wrote:Vettel is so bad at Codemasters. Also, I wonder why they didn’t use F1 2018?
Old Hockenheim wasn't great for spectators to be fair. Almost all seating in the stadium section so pretty much had the feel of any other circuit but you only got to see the cars 44 times. Going through the trees at the old Hockenheim was cool but at the end of the day it was only 3 straights connected by a couple of chicanes.zaar wrote:I take it, that you didn't attend a race at the old Hockenheim circuit, did you?Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
They used F1 2018 when Ocon/Sainz/Gasly were driving around Paul Ricardmds wrote:Probably because it hasn't been released yetKingVoid wrote:Vettel is so bad at Codemasters. Also, I wonder why they didn’t use F1 2018?
Maybe not all content has been finalized.KingVoid wrote:They used F1 2018 when Ocon/Sainz/Gasly were driving around Paul Ricardmds wrote:Probably because it hasn't been released yetKingVoid wrote:Vettel is so bad at Codemasters. Also, I wonder why they didn’t use F1 2018?
I agree. The nostalgia of the in-car video driving past the site of Clark's death -- morbid as that seems -- was the only interesting part of the old layout. But this recollection also emphasizes the problem, with the trees so close to the track.Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
Yeah and on that basis, and for emergency situations as well, I can understand why the modified it but I do miss the old circuit.mikeyg123 wrote:Old Hockenheim wasn't great for spectators to be fair. Almost all seating in the stadium section so pretty much had the feel of any other circuit but you only got to see the cars 44 times. Going through the trees at the old Hockenheim was cool but at the end of the day it was only 3 straights connected by a couple of chicanes.zaar wrote:I take it, that you didn't attend a race at the old Hockenheim circuit, did you?Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
Those tyres benefited all the teams and no they are not going to be uses again this season.AravJ wrote:Is pirelli bringing the thinner Merc friendly tyres or normal tyres?
They should add another spec to that graphic.lol
Nothing angers me more than "protecting trees" around race tracks. They couldn't get permission to cut down a single tree at Brands Hatch, a tree that was obviously a big safety risk. That is the tree that enabled the sequence of events that resulted in the death of Henry Surtees.MB-BOB wrote:I agree. The nostalgia of the in-car video driving past the site of Clark's death -- morbid as that seems -- was the only interesting part of the old layout. But this recollection also emphasizes the problem, with the trees so close to the track.Exediron wrote:The old circuit was about as boring as a circuit could be. I honestly don't know why people have such nostalgia about it - as a track layout, a Formula E circuit is more interesting. It had the atmosphere of going through the forest, and that was about it.
The chicanes were a result to slow the cars, because the track couldn't be widened. Fast forward to the eventual revision to the shorter circuit, which finally gave a nod to political reality... given the "green" influence in Europe, the old dilemma of chopping down all those trees on the old part of the track to make it wider/safer inevitably spelled doom to the northern leg of the lap.
Had the forest been pruned back in the early 60's, there would have been a wider track, and more importantly, room for some grandstands among the trees, etc, and we would be racing there today. But alas, no...
I just saw the footage of that accident for the first time, and while I agree that we should never lose sight of safety, there may be more ways towards that, than just cutting down trees. How about replacing that grass strip towards that single tree with a sand trap? Failing that, how about putting the armco right next to the track? That seems to work at Monaco. Was that rear wheel assembly tethered to the car? It doesn't look like it was, and I know tethers aren't always the answer, but even if the tether fails, it will reduce the energy of the loose wheel.Johnson wrote:Nothing angers me more than "protecting trees" around race tracks. They couldn't get permission to cut down a single tree at Brands Hatch, a tree that was obviously a big safety risk. That is the tree that enabled the sequence of events that resulted in the death of Henry Surtees.
Basically, 2 or 3 trees needed to be removed to make that part of the track as safe as can be. Its a couple of trees in the middle of a piece of private property. Its ridiculous. They could plant 10x new tress in the infield for everyone they remove. It still angers me today, I remember seeing that tree a few years before Surtees accident and was amazed it was still there.
Looking at that Honda are still behind the game, such reliability will scupper any Red Bull title charge next season.
I don't think even RBR are hoping for a title charge next season.pokerman wrote:Looking at that Honda are still behind the game, such reliability will scupper any Red Bull title charge next season.
Ricciardo is surely in a quandary isn't he?mds wrote:I don't think even RBR are hoping for a title charge next season.pokerman wrote:Looking at that Honda are still behind the game, such reliability will scupper any Red Bull title charge next season.
Couldn’t agree more. The Nurburgring is a much more exciting track for these cars. Shame.whitewolfarctic wrote:I don't particularly like Hockenheim to be perfectly honest. I think often my opinion of tracks is shaped by how they play in simulators too. That last corner really lacks any feel.
I much prefer the Nurburgring GP. The last time Formula 1 visited there, it was a really good race and an enthralling battle for the win. I think with these new cars it would be insane the types of speeds that could be achieved in those fast flowing corners.
I think the way the official F1 site and Official F1 videos too now are just trying too hard to impress. This serious dramatic music at the start. Then, why show you a driver selection when the video says it is with Vettel. And they waste time by hovering over all 5 drivers then going back to Vettel. They do similar when finding the track. Flick through several tracks, go purposely too far past Hockenheim and then flick back. Come on! The video title mentions "Lap Of Hockenheim" and "Sebastian Vettel" We know what you are going to select so why bother showing it as if you are making your mind up? The way they are done is just slow painful to watch now. Surely it would make more sense to show a real on-board video of one of the drivers best laps at the track with them describing it. Many drivers struggle to describe while driving. That is understandable. This other way would make more sense, look better and sound better.KingVoid wrote:Vettel is so bad at Codemasters. Also, I wonder why they didn’t use F1 2018?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuHHgRte8NE
But it wouldn't promote their game, which is the whole point of the 'Hot Lap' videos.TheGiantHogweed wrote:I think the way the official F1 site and Official F1 videos too now are just trying too hard to impress. This serious dramatic music at the start. Then, why show you a driver selection when the video says it is with Vettel. And they waste time by hovering over all 5 drivers then going back to Vettel. They do similar when finding the track. Flick through several tracks, go purposely too far past Hockenheim and then flick back. Come on! The video title mentions "Lap Of Hockenheim" and "Sebastian Vettel" We know what you are going to select so why bother showing it as if you are making your mind up? The way they are done is just slow painful to watch now. Surely it would make more sense to show a real on-board video of one of the drivers best laps at the track with them describing it. Many drivers struggle to describe while driving. That is understandable. This other way would make more sense, look better and sound better.