2018 Canadian Grand Prix Racing Thread

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:36 pm

I'm sorry but F1 is s!!t these days. I think you have to be 1.5 seconds faster to actually have a chance to overtake.
I'm watching F1 for some 25 years, it seems it's worse than ever.
I've always wondered why supposedly some very bright people who run this sport are able to come up with such defectuos regulations

blhsing · Post by **blhsing** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:37 pm

F1Tyrant wrote:
FrusEldar wrote:Kimi has been underwhelming average ever since he rejoined Ferrari. Today is not an exception.
Kimi should have retired after 2014.

Why retire when someone's still willing to pay you big bucks just to cruise around at your own leisure?

Toby. · Post by **Toby.** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:38 pm

My god there's been a lot of traffic this race.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:39 pm

Bacus wrote:I'm sorry but F1 is s!!t these days. I think you have to be 1.5 seconds faster to actually have a chance to overtake.
I'm watching F1 for some 25 years, it seems it's worse than ever.
I've always wondered why supposedly some very bright people who run this sport are able to come up with such defectuos regulations

To appease the manufacturer teams that's why.

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:39 pm

kleefton wrote:Max has dropped Ricciardo. Very strong weekend for him.

IMO this is regular stuff. When all things are settled most of the time Verstappen has the edge on Ricciardo. And that has been from their first races together.
Ricciardo is just able to keep his nose clean at hectic races.

F1Tyrant · Post by **F1Tyrant** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Jezza13 wrote:To appease the manufacturer teams that's why.

To be fair, Mercedes are the ones pushing the aero cull next season.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:43 pm

F1Tyrant wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:To appease the manufacturer teams that's why.
To be fair, Mercedes are the ones pushing the aero cull next season.

Yeah and i'm sure their motives are totally utilitarian.

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Even the stewards want it finished early!

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Amateur hour with the chequered flag

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:45 pm

pokerman wrote:Amateur hour with the chequered flag

Most exciting part of the race.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:45 pm

TedStriker wrote:Even the stewards want it finished early!

, the stewards had enough

Syholl · Post by **Syholl** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:45 pm

Man, I’ve been looking forward to this race all day, and it absolutely sucked!!!!

That was worse than Monaco, which is an impressive achievement!!!

Bacus · Post by **Bacus** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:45 pm

Jezza13 wrote:
Bacus wrote:I'm sorry but F1 is s!!t these days. I think you have to be 1.5 seconds faster to actually have a chance to overtake.
I'm watching F1 for some 25 years, it seems it's worse than ever.
I've always wondered why supposedly some very bright people who run this sport are able to come up with such defectuos regulations
To appease the manufacturer teams that's why.

I know it's all business, but they could win even more if they would try to satisfy the fans.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:46 pm

I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:46 pm

Drab race. Vettel excellent. Verstappen very good all weekend. Hamilton meh. Hopefully France is better than this

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:46 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.

The amount of times they seemed convinced (Ted too) that Raikkonen was going to come out ahead of Hamilton despite not being far enough ahead

G926 · Post by **G926** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:47 pm

Chequered flag debacle, brilliant from Crofty:

"You had one job........"

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:47 pm

One of the more genuinely boring races this season, especially after qualy promised so much. As I said earlier, Mercedes had better hope this delayed engine has the beans; right now Vettel looks half a street ahead.

In the wider picture, getting sick to death of all the front runners driving well within themselves to conserve tyres for the ultimate fear of having to make another stop.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:47 pm

TedStriker wrote:Even the stewards want it finished early!

can we blame them

funkymonkey · Post by **funkymonkey** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

Great race for Ferrari and Vettel. But it was not a great racing at fast end of the grid.

Some good racing in mid field (though not a lot of overtaking) and Charles Leclerc deserves all the praise that he gets for that drive. Great result for Sauber.

Not great race, still miles better than Monaco.

frankwer · Post by **frankwer** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

Do DRS work when they reach the engine rev limit so fast?

Cold Gin · Post by **Cold Gin** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

This is historically a very exciting race.

What a snoozefest.

Zazu · Post by **Zazu** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.

No idea how Crofty got the job. He doesnt offer anything other than talking drivel

jamesaberdeen73 · Post by **jamesaberdeen73** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:49 pm

Dull as dishwater, straight onto Antiques Roadshow for some excitement.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:49 pm

Flash2k11 wrote:One of the more genuinely boring races this season, especially after qualy promised so much. As I said earlier, Mercedes had better hope this delayed engine has the beans; right now Vettel looks half a street ahead.

In the wider picture, getting sick to death of all the front runners driving well within themselves to conserve tyres for the ultimate fear of having to make another stop.

Merc were closed in qualifying and possibly ahead had they had the new engine rather one that had done six races. The lack of race pace might be a concern though.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:49 pm

JN23 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.
The amount of times they seemed convinced (Ted too) that Raikkonen was going to come out ahead of Hamilton despite not being far enough ahead

Maybe Ferrari left it too long?

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:50 pm

And to those who want to do away with pit stops.... I give you Canada 2018.

Imagine this race, supposedly one of the best overtaking circuits on the calendar, 3 DRS zones, with no pit stops.

jamesaberdeen73 · Post by **jamesaberdeen73** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Zazu wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.
No idea how Crofty got the job. He doesnt offer anything other than talking drivel

Agreed, it’s his constant forced chuckling that does my head in.

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:51 pm

Awful race, really obvious result from first corner, pit crews now deciding track positions, I'm beginning to wonder if it is worth the money!

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:51 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:
JN23 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.
The amount of times they seemed convinced (Ted too) that Raikkonen was going to come out ahead of Hamilton despite not being far enough ahead
Maybe Ferrari left it too long?

I thought they were saying when he was roughly 16s ahead, isn't it 18/19s for a pit stop?

Toby. · Post by **Toby.** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:52 pm

What a

race.

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:52 pm

What a boring race. I don't care about lap records, these cars suck. Unless you are on a different tire, there won't be much passing between the top three teams on track.

This has been a strange year for Hamilton. This makes 2 race weekends this year (China being the other one) where he has just been nowhere. And these are two tracks where he has won a total of 11 races in his career! Not sure what to make of his performance this season but it almost seems like he has lost his edge somewhat. Perhaps it's just a temporary thing but I see Hamilton as being well below his top form this year.

For Vettel, this was the type of race that China and Baku shoud have been and he and Ferrari could easily be a lot further ahead right now. Flawless weekend from him and he is the more appropriate points leader all things considered.

Ferrari should also be leading in the WCC but they are a one car team unfortunately. At this stage, Kimi being on the team is a joke. Before pitting, he was 20 seconds behind Vettel on the same tires after the first stint. That's just too much of a deficit. Honestly, Ferrari should be looking to replace him urgently. He's too slow.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:52 pm

Flash2k11 wrote:One of the more genuinely boring races this season, especially after qualy promised so much. As I said earlier, Mercedes had better hope this delayed engine has the beans; right now Vettel looks half a street ahead.

In the wider picture, getting sick to death of all the front runners driving well within themselves to conserve tyres for the ultimate fear of having to make another stop.

was hoping Mercedes or redbull would have thrown caution to the wind and make a second stop

Oasis · Post by **Oasis** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:52 pm

Bernie's sprinkler system doesnt seem like such a bad idea anymore

funkymonkey · Post by **funkymonkey** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:53 pm

I think 3 DRS zones proved counter productive this year. One way or other, the DRS benefit was neutralised for car behind because the car in front was getting DRS from the cars ahead as well as back-markers later in the race.

blhsing · Post by **blhsing** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:56 pm

Oasis wrote:Bernie's sprinkler system doesnt seem like such a bad idea anymore

+1

We need more wet races, where driver skills and mechanical grips are more important than aerodynamics and tyre conservation. If wet races have to be artificially produced, so be it.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:58 pm

jamesaberdeen73 wrote:
Zazu wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I can't remember the last time Brundle and Crofty were so bad at commentating in the race. I hope Sky get a better line up next year!! They both made countless mistakes.
No idea how Crofty got the job. He doesnt offer anything other than talking drivel
Agreed, it’s his constant forced chuckling that does my head in.

Croft sucks big time. The guy loves to hear himself talk. They need an audio option w/o commentary just track audio

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:59 pm

blhsing wrote:
Oasis wrote:Bernie's sprinkler system doesnt seem like such a bad idea anymore
+1

We need more wet races, where driver skills and mechanical grips are more important than aerodynamics and tyre conservation. If wet races have to be artificially produced, so be it.

Thought the same when someone posted the race needed a safety car

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:59 pm

lucifers wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:One of the more genuinely boring races this season, especially after qualy promised so much. As I said earlier, Mercedes had better hope this delayed engine has the beans; right now Vettel looks half a street ahead.

In the wider picture, getting sick to death of all the front runners driving well within themselves to conserve tyres for the ultimate fear of having to make another stop.

was hoping Mercedes or redbull would have thrown caution to the wind and make a second stop

Kimi was wide open for this strategy, and if Danny Ric can go fastest of all on the last lap having been utterly mediocre pacewise prior, someone on fresh rubber with nothing to lose would surely have gone seriously quicker. Feels like all the top 3 teams are locked into safety first thinking because the midfield isn't close enough to push them on.

gregs51 · Post by **gregs51** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:01 pm

Mercedes now in real danger of becoming third best car. Unless they find something soon Red Bull will have the upper hand at the more aero tracks. The Ferrari is untouchable now in Vettels hands. There always seems to be something wrong with the Merc setup - tyres, cooling, straight line speed, oversteer, understeer. There is something inherently divaish in the chassis that has been masked by engine superiority.