2018 Canadian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:48 pm
The tyre choices for the first 6 races were made before winter testing, the tyre choice for Mercedes in Canada very much reflects that the car works better on the harder tyres.
That should interest Red Bull.UnlikeUday wrote:One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!
Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2389 ... -in-canada
My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?F1_Ernie wrote:Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.
Might aswell not bother bringing the tyres then.pokerman wrote:My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?F1_Ernie wrote:Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.
Well I would think they still will be the best tyre for them in Q3?F1_Ernie wrote:Might aswell not bother bringing the tyres then.pokerman wrote:My guess is that they will only qualify on it but not use it in the race?F1_Ernie wrote:Will be interesting to see if Mercedes struggle on the HS again, both RB and Ferrari was better on the tyre in Monaco.
I agree!UnlikeUday wrote:But isn't this is a Hamilton track, if not a Mercedes one? Hamilton should reign supreme with Red Bull struggling & behind Ferrari.
Let's see if it works first. I can remember plenty of supposed Honda updates that made little if any tangible difference in the past...pokerman wrote:That should interest Red Bull.UnlikeUday wrote:One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!
Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2389 ... -in-canada
I assume it's two different things being measured like traction being more of a track description of what is important here while asphalt grip is just measuring asphalt grip if you see what I mean.Covalent wrote:About those stats... how can traction be a 5 while asphalt grip is 1?
Quite. A 40bhp upgrade would be the biggest in season upgrade anyone's brought in the entire turbo era.Exediron wrote:Let's see if it works first. I can remember plenty of supposed Honda updates that made little if any tangible difference in the past...pokerman wrote:That should interest Red Bull.UnlikeUday wrote:One of my favourite race weekends of the year. Always produces exciting races. Will be a welcome relief from the procession-friendly Monaco race!
Honda is getting a new spec engine which is rumoured to give a 40hp boost.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2389 ... -in-canada
Yes, I think you are correct. Traction is extremely important here.Lotus49 wrote:I assume it's two different things being measured like traction being more of a track description of what is important here while asphalt grip is just measuring asphalt grip if you see what I mean.Covalent wrote:About those stats... how can traction be a 5 while asphalt grip is 1?
Slow corners and straights so it's a high traction dependent circuit (5)
Low asphalt grip (1)
I dunno if I'm explaining myself very well here but it's why McLaren are expecting a nightmare,great mechanical grip and straightline speed are key here and they have neither.
STR will pummel them here if Bahrain was any indicator.
It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.Lojik wrote:Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties
F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.Lotus49 wrote:Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.
May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.
He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.
Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.
One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.F1_Ernie wrote:It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.Lojik wrote:Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties
F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
From my own viewpoint yes Bottas has been unlucky but it's going to be hard for him to close the gap to Hamilton when I see Hamilton beating Bottas in the races at a ratio of 2:1.TheGiantHogweed wrote:One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.F1_Ernie wrote:It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.Lojik wrote:Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties
F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
Hamiltons just playing the pr game. Ricciardo has had one dnf due to reliability, one due to mad max and then Monaco happened which he was lucky to have at a track which is impossible to overtake on, now more penalties and you can't win the title with this many problems. He would be up there with Vettel though if the car was more reliable.TheGiantHogweed wrote:One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.F1_Ernie wrote:It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.Lojik wrote:Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties
F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
I am also doubting that Bottas will win it this year. But I still think that Bottas and Ricciardo have basically missed out on the same level of points due to their retirements. And in my opinion, Ricciardo has to take some responsibility for Baku as I explained in another thread.F1_Ernie wrote:Hamiltons just playing the pr game. Ricciardo has had one dnf due to reliability, one due to mad max and then Monaco happened which he was lucky to have at a track which is impossible to overtake on, now more penalties and you can't win the title with this many problems. He would be up there with Vettel though if the car was more reliable.TheGiantHogweed wrote:One reason why I was surprised to see articles saying Hamilton said nice to see Vettel and Ricciardo in the title fight. Maybe they twisted what he said, but Ricciardo although he has been very good, has had some good fortune in China and hasn't yet suffered from the penalties Red Bull usually get. Obviously can't blame him for this. But Bottas would basically be level in points with Ricciardo and Vettel if he hadn't suffered in Baku.F1_Ernie wrote:It's the reason why Ricciardo will never be in the title hunt this year.Lojik wrote:Not a wheel turned in anger, and already grid penalties confirmed for Ricciardo.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... -penalties
F1 sure knows how to shoot itself in the foot.
Bottas has been good this year but he doesn't have the extra gear to win a championship against equal cars and a faster team mate.
Sorry, I was meaning Renault works team as an alternative to McLaren but they've got a similar budget and infrastructure as McLaren so unless they double their investment, buy a full chassis dyno etc..it's not going to be a much more of an attractive option title wise.pokerman wrote:Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.Lotus49 wrote:Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.
May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.
He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.
Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.
Yeah you can only see that as being a step sidewardsLotus49 wrote:Sorry, I was meaning Renault works team as an alternative to McLaren but they've got a similar budget and infrastructure as McLaren so unless they double their investment, buy a full chassis dyno etc..it's not going to be a much more of an attractive option title wise.pokerman wrote:Well I would be thinking that the McLaren car is worse than the Renault engine, I guess it's doable for Alonso, 2 years in Indycars then come back to F1 for the massive rules overhaul.Lotus49 wrote:Anyone see the Zak Brown quotes saying McLaren won't fight for the title next year or 2020? I think unless Renault take some unexpected monster step and double their budget I think this will be Alonso's last season.
May as well go to Indy and have 2 years trying to win the 500 and the title perhaps and then come 2021 see what the lay of the land is under Liberty's new vision for the sport and if there's any new manufacturer interest. Hep's got links to VAG through Lambo and obviously now Toyota but I'm not convinced either are that interested but until the engines and rules are announced most cards will be being held close to their chests. McLaren and Renault will still be there too.
He'll be Kimi's age so still perfectly doable but I'd rather only 1 year out if any as Michael's age didn't seem to be the drawback but his time out and the difference in equipment and rules seemed to be. It being a major rule change, probably an unprecedented one, might work in his favour though as it will be completely new to everyone and adaptability is probably his biggest strength.
Couldn't think where to put this so just dumped it here, apologies mods if it's too OT and needs moved.
Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.Invade wrote:What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.
How are Red Bull trialling the Honda engine instead of getting the Renault upgrade? Surely a translation issue here as you can't just plug in another engine to trial?UnlikeUday wrote:Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.Invade wrote:What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.
Red Bull are not opting for the Renault upgrade as Red Bull will be trialing the Honda engine. Decision time for Red Bull for nearing & they need to give a final answer.
All bringing an upgrade, rumoured numbers never come to fruition though. Renault have shelved part of their upgrade, the almost mythical 2016 Renault in house MGU-K still can't make the required reliability distance so most of the alleged 4ths upgrade got shelved again so just an ICE upgrade said to be worth a tenth by Newey which is at least a realistic number from a good source.Invade wrote:What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.
I meant Red Bull will be conducting a Honda & Renault comparison.Lotus49 wrote:How are Red Bull trialling the Honda engine instead of getting the Renault upgrade? Surely a translation issue here as you can't just plug in another engine to trial?UnlikeUday wrote:Honda are getting an engine upgrade as well rumoured to be about 40 hp boost worth.Invade wrote:What's the news on the Ferrari, Honda and Renault front? I know Renault have the new PU available which Newey thinks will be worth just one tenth.
Red Bull are not opting for the Renault upgrade as Red Bull will be trialing the Honda engine. Decision time for Red Bull for nearing & they need to give a final answer.
I red another report which said it was 27bhp, but even that was speculation and I can't find anything from Honda themselvesLlotyhy wrote:It's not just the new spec power unit for Ferrari. It's also the fact that Merc will be using the power unit that has been in the car since March. Ferrari's pu will be comfortably better this weekend.
Also very interested to see what Honda will bring. 40hp would be huge.