2018 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:02 pm
This has Riccardo domination written all over the race tomorrow. Ferrari & Mercedes to scrap for the spoils (podium)!
This with the comment from rivf1 is the issue - if dan can get a clean start and the lead - I think he can build a gap and unless very unlucky with a SC (or has reliability issues or makes a mistake) is well positioned to win - Ferrari and Mercedes won't have their qualifying boost modes and I think RBR will be better in the race than qualifying - should be interesting to see how Verstappen goes - I expect he'll gain positions off the line (he's good at starts) and will push others to gain positions early - but will stall at some point unless he gets very lucky with SC pluralJezza13 wrote:If Ricciardo can get into turn 1 in the lead, then all things being equal he should walk it in.
Regarding Verstappen, he's going to face the biggest lesson when it comes to race craft. Either he tones down & tries to get the car in 1 piece or regains his exuberant driving to keep overtaking & risk crashing on the narrow streets of Monaco!F1Oz wrote:This with the comment from rivf1 is the issue - if dan can get a clean start and the lead - I think he can build a gap and unless very unlucky with a SC (or has reliability issues or makes a mistake) is well positioned to win - Ferrari and Mercedes won't have their qualifying boost modes and I think RBR will be better in the race than qualifying - should be interesting to see how Verstappen goes - I expect he'll gain positions off the line (he's good at starts) and will push others to gain positions early - but will stall at some point unless he gets very lucky with SC pluralJezza13 wrote:If Ricciardo can get into turn 1 in the lead, then all things being equal he should walk it in.
He only won in 2016 because RBR shafted Dan in the pitstop - otherwise Dan would have won easilyLojik wrote:Using "Crofty logic" Hamilton is a dead cert for the win. He has started from 3rd twice at Monaco and won both times.
I hope you realise I wasn't being entirely serious.F1Oz wrote:He only won in 2016 because RBR shafted Dan in the pitstop - otherwise Dan would have won easilyLojik wrote:Using "Crofty logic" Hamilton is a dead cert for the win. He has started from 3rd twice at Monaco and won both times.
He will only win tomorrow because Verstappen will bring out a SC that will ultimately screw Ricciardo. From tomorrow onwards, Dan will have two Red Bull shaped holes, one in each foot.Lojik wrote:I hope you realise I wasn't being entirely serious.F1Oz wrote:He only won in 2016 because RBR shafted Dan in the pitstop - otherwise Dan would have won easilyLojik wrote:Using "Crofty logic" Hamilton is a dead cert for the win. He has started from 3rd twice at Monaco and won both times.
Even in Monaco Dan has attempted his trademark silly divebombs.sandman1347 wrote:It's a track position race. Dan is easily the fastest but if Vettel or Hamilton can find a way to gain track position on him, they can almost certainly keep him behind. I think the race will potentially come down to a VSC or SC deployment and someone taking advantage of it to gain track position. Either that or Daniel just rides off into the sunset.
I can see Verstappen getting frustrated behind a slower car and going for a gap that doesn't exist. Thus wiping out his team mates 10 second lead.Kev627 wrote:Personally I can see Verstappen getting a podium, I seriously tempted to put a fiver on it at 400-1!
Its only silly if he doesnt get it to workCovalent wrote:Even in Monaco Dan has attempted his trademark silly divebombs.sandman1347 wrote:It's a track position race. Dan is easily the fastest but if Vettel or Hamilton can find a way to gain track position on him, they can almost certainly keep him behind. I think the race will potentially come down to a VSC or SC deployment and someone taking advantage of it to gain track position. Either that or Daniel just rides off into the sunset.
That was my thinking. Daniel doesn't often end up walking back to the pits after an incident that HE caused. To my mind Sebastian causes a lot more contact on attempted passes and starting line swerving than Daniel.Mayhem wrote:Its only silly if he doesnt get it to workCovalent wrote:Even in Monaco Dan has attempted his trademark silly divebombs.sandman1347 wrote:It's a track position race. Dan is easily the fastest but if Vettel or Hamilton can find a way to gain track position on him, they can almost certainly keep him behind. I think the race will potentially come down to a VSC or SC deployment and someone taking advantage of it to gain track position. Either that or Daniel just rides off into the sunset.
Come on!!! So Max starts in 20th. KMag starts in 19th & RoGro in 18th. What could go wrong????Herb wrote:I can see Verstappen getting frustrated behind a slower car and going for a gap that doesn't exist. Thus wiping out his team mates 10 second lead.Kev627 wrote:Personally I can see Verstappen getting a podium, I seriously tempted to put a fiver on it at 400-1!
I feel this too. No point trying to build a buffer, just do enough to stay in control and get new rubber when Max or one of his associates bring out the Safety car.Herb wrote:I can see Verstappen getting frustrated behind a slower car and going for a gap that doesn't exist. Thus wiping out his team mates 10 second lead.Kev627 wrote:Personally I can see Verstappen getting a podium, I seriously tempted to put a fiver on it at 400-1!
It's not good. High deg at Monte Carlo just means everyone driving to a delta miles off the pace. We had high deg in 2012 and 2013 and the race was horrendous.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:finally we have tyres that might make the strategy side of it interesting. rather then 1 stop and everybody doing pretty much the same. if the hypers do go off quickly (i think they are gonna try and get 15-20 laps out of them though) you may get some going to supers for 1 stop. some to ultras but can the ultras do one stop. undercut should be powerful so there could be big winners and big losers. if only you could overtake it would be great. i say hypers mandatory at every race!
I'm thinking the exact same. I also want Ricciardo to get a win down to his own merit as I think he was really lucky in China, but given how shocking Red Bull's reliability often seems to be, I can't be totally sure he'll make it.whitewolfarctic wrote:I want Ricciardo to win after what happened in 2016, but I'm really worried about the reliability of that Renault engine.
Well Daniel did cause contact with Kimi here once and IMO was extremely fortunate not to end up with any serious damage. And in Spain a couple of years ago he would have collected Seb had the latter not taken avoiding action, resulting in Dan not making the corner anyway. Dan not causing contact invariably relies on the other guyMort Canard wrote:That was my thinking. Daniel doesn't often end up walking back to the pits after an incident that HE caused. To my mind Sebastian causes a lot more contact on attempted passes and starting line swerving than Daniel.Mayhem wrote:Its only silly if he doesnt get it to workCovalent wrote:Even in Monaco Dan has attempted his trademark silly divebombs.sandman1347 wrote:It's a track position race. Dan is easily the fastest but if Vettel or Hamilton can find a way to gain track position on him, they can almost certainly keep him behind. I think the race will potentially come down to a VSC or SC deployment and someone taking advantage of it to gain track position. Either that or Daniel just rides off into the sunset.
yes I agree. You want tyres drivers can push on, not have the result determined by who drives on eggshells the bestmikeyg123 wrote:It's not good. High deg at Monte Carlo just means everyone driving to a delta miles off the pace. We had high deg in 2012 and 2013 and the race was horrendous.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:finally we have tyres that might make the strategy side of it interesting. rather then 1 stop and everybody doing pretty much the same. if the hypers do go off quickly (i think they are gonna try and get 15-20 laps out of them though) you may get some going to supers for 1 stop. some to ultras but can the ultras do one stop. undercut should be powerful so there could be big winners and big losers. if only you could overtake it would be great. i say hypers mandatory at every race!
Alonso set his Q2 time on Hypers?Mort Canard wrote:I am wondering about pit strategy with all of the front runners. Everyone but Fernando Alonso (on Ultras) is on the Hypersofts. For Qualifying they were saying that the Hypers were only lasting a couple of laps at optimum performance. I wonder if the temps remain high, whether a one stop will work, when the pit stop will come. Have to assume that everyone starting on Hypers will go to Ultras as the second set.
Pirelli claim the Hypers can be used as race tires, but they do seem to degrade quickly.
well i disagree. this is typical of f1. canada 2010 was epic and everybody wanted high deg cos it created a great race. which is why pirelli made the tyres they did in 2012. then they have had enough of that and want harder tyres that they can push on for longer periods so we get boring one stops. how long before high deg is being called for again. in general i would much rather have high deg creating bigger offsets between drivers which inevitably leads to more action. at monaco i cant remember what happened in 2012 and 13 but i know for sure it wasnt the tyres fault the races were boring, driving to a delta or not. monaco is a boring race. only thing that makes it interesting are incidents and pitstops.Zoue wrote:yes I agree. You want tyres drivers can push on, not have the result determined by who drives on eggshells the bestmikeyg123 wrote:It's not good. High deg at Monte Carlo just means everyone driving to a delta miles off the pace. We had high deg in 2012 and 2013 and the race was horrendous.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:finally we have tyres that might make the strategy side of it interesting. rather then 1 stop and everybody doing pretty much the same. if the hypers do go off quickly (i think they are gonna try and get 15-20 laps out of them though) you may get some going to supers for 1 stop. some to ultras but can the ultras do one stop. undercut should be powerful so there could be big winners and big losers. if only you could overtake it would be great. i say hypers mandatory at every race!
I get what you're saying but I've never, ever been a fan of fragile tyres and I've been consistently against them ever since Pirelli became sole supplier. This isn't a case of moving goalposts.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:well i disagree. this is typical of f1. canada 2010 was epic and everybody wanted high deg cos it created a great race. which is why pirelli made the tyres they did in 2012. then they have had enough of that and want harder tyres that they can push on for longer periods so we get boring one stops. how long before high deg is being called for again. in general i would much rather have high deg creating bigger offsets between drivers which inevitably leads to more action. at monaco i cant remember what happened in 2012 and 13 but i know for sure it wasnt the tyres fault the races were boring, driving to a delta or not. monaco is a boring race. only thing that makes it interesting are incidents and pitstops.Zoue wrote:yes I agree. You want tyres drivers can push on, not have the result determined by who drives on eggshells the bestmikeyg123 wrote:It's not good. High deg at Monte Carlo just means everyone driving to a delta miles off the pace. We had high deg in 2012 and 2013 and the race was horrendous.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:finally we have tyres that might make the strategy side of it interesting. rather then 1 stop and everybody doing pretty much the same. if the hypers do go off quickly (i think they are gonna try and get 15-20 laps out of them though) you may get some going to supers for 1 stop. some to ultras but can the ultras do one stop. undercut should be powerful so there could be big winners and big losers. if only you could overtake it would be great. i say hypers mandatory at every race!
also regarding the tyres its exactly the same with the downforce of these cars. lets have these super fast cars with loads of downforce. oh wait cant run in dirty air. next year feels very much like 2009. why do they not learn.
You mean the ones that gain him a position ~90% of the time?Covalent wrote:Even in Monaco Dan has attempted his trademark silly divebombs.sandman1347 wrote:It's a track position race. Dan is easily the fastest but if Vettel or Hamilton can find a way to gain track position on him, they can almost certainly keep him behind. I think the race will potentially come down to a VSC or SC deployment and someone taking advantage of it to gain track position. Either that or Daniel just rides off into the sunset.
It's horses for courses. Monaco with high deg is dull because it has to be a one stop as track position is so vital. That means with high deg you get everyone cruising around well off the pace for lap after lap after lap eeking out tyre life. If you have very low deg everyone has to push like crazy causing incidents and excitement. The race in 2012 was a particularly odd spectacle.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:well i disagree. this is typical of f1. canada 2010 was epic and everybody wanted high deg cos it created a great race. which is why pirelli made the tyres they did in 2012. then they have had enough of that and want harder tyres that they can push on for longer periods so we get boring one stops. how long before high deg is being called for again. in general i would much rather have high deg creating bigger offsets between drivers which inevitably leads to more action. at monaco i cant remember what happened in 2012 and 13 but i know for sure it wasnt the tyres fault the races were boring, driving to a delta or not. monaco is a boring race. only thing that makes it interesting are incidents and pitstops.Zoue wrote:yes I agree. You want tyres drivers can push on, not have the result determined by who drives on eggshells the bestmikeyg123 wrote:It's not good. High deg at Monte Carlo just means everyone driving to a delta miles off the pace. We had high deg in 2012 and 2013 and the race was horrendous.Caserole of Nonsense wrote:finally we have tyres that might make the strategy side of it interesting. rather then 1 stop and everybody doing pretty much the same. if the hypers do go off quickly (i think they are gonna try and get 15-20 laps out of them though) you may get some going to supers for 1 stop. some to ultras but can the ultras do one stop. undercut should be powerful so there could be big winners and big losers. if only you could overtake it would be great. i say hypers mandatory at every race!
also regarding the tyres its exactly the same with the downforce of these cars. lets have these super fast cars with loads of downforce. oh wait cant run in dirty air. next year feels very much like 2009. why do they not learn.
Invariably? You seem so sure of that, citing just 2 occasions where he might have overdone it. Twice in how many races? A rubbish statement IMO. There's a whole textbook of Ricciardo overtakes that haven't relied on "the other guy".Zoue wrote:Dan not causing contact invariably relies on the other guy