Did Renault not make any winter gains?Lotus49 wrote:So just the winter gains then, it's still not the same engine McLaren ran even post Monza so what's your point?pokerman wrote:Well you can't include the Canada engine which they have only just received and scored no points with it, they scored all their points with the winter upgraded engine.Lotus49 wrote:You think the Honda engine today and the one that vibrated so badly it affected gearshifts before Spain last year is comparable? Look at the reliability problems alone McLaren had last year, Alonso had only seen the chequered flag once at this point last year, in Spain.pokerman wrote:But then we look at the STR that doesn't have good downforce that being given the reason why it has such good straight line speed, that hasn't stopped them scoring 19pts thus far, McLaren scored 30pts last season.Lotus49 wrote: Doesn't matter if it's slower on the straight as long as it's faster overall, it's not a drag race. Red Bull have a better chassis which produces more d/f everywhere I'd imagine, they can do things McLaren can't you'll get no argument from me on that front.
The best version McLaren had, the one post Monza ers upgrade, was the best Honda had with McLaren and it's still 20kw+(Winter) plus the recent Canada upgrade(27bhp) slower than this one so you're looking at the best part of 40-50bhp slower and yet McLaren scored 19pts in the last 7 races with it.
Last year Honda said they were close to Renault whilst McLaren said they had a top car, I would expect their results to be so much better then a midfield team like STR with inferior drivers.
For the last 3 years Honda got 100% of the blame, this year the blame is being put on the installation of the Renault engine, McLaren themselves have realised that they have a problem but this is just being put forward as a simple management re-organisation.