Lotus49 wrote: Llotyhy wrote: Lotus49 wrote: Llotyhy wrote:
Llotyhy wrote:I haven't seen any evidence that Mercedes and/or Ferrari are even interested in Ricciardo, apart from the political 'he's an excellent driver'-talk. Some journalists are acting like he can work for whatever team he wants, he only has to ask and that's far from the truth in my opinion.
His best option is to extend with Red Bull.
I don't think he can ask for Verstappen's salary to be honest. Verstappen is valued higher I think, not just by RB, but also by the competition, so they needed to tie him down quickly, because everyone was openly flirting with Max last season. Ricciardo is not on the radar of Merc at least. Toto just said they are only looking at Hamilton, Bottas and Ocon. Ferrari have an amazing driver academy as well and have talents waiting in line as well. If it's too early for Leclerc they'll just extend Kimi another season.
I'd be surprised if he gets offered more than half of Verstappen's salary. And yes, he should take that anyway.
If Max keeps performing, or not performing more like, then Dan becomes more expensive by the race as he's the one scoring the points. Max meanwhile is behind Alonso in the standings after nearly a quarter of the season with no reliability bad luck to blame. Think about that.
Dan'll get at least as much as Max from Red Bull, if not more.
Max is reportedly making base 10 and up to 35 million a year including bonuses, about the salary Alonso and Hamilton make and a bit less than Vettel. Ricciardo makes 6.5 now. There's no way they'll pay Ricciardo over 17,5 next season, you can quote me on this.
His base never mind bonuses will be at least 17.5 next contract wherever he ends up. If it's at Red Bull there's no chance he signs a contract for less money than the driver he's currently beating comfortably. He's Red Bull's most consistent point scorer and that won't come cheaply.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
When the contract with Verstappen was signed, Verstappen had been on a string of strong results, and seen as outperforming Ricciardo in the lead up to the contract. Plus, there was the suggestion other teams were negotiating to steal Verstappen from Red Bull. Red Bull felt by securing Verstappen, they have a key driver secured for years to come.
Since the contract was signed, Verstappen has not performed well. It even seems possible Verstappen let that big contract got to his head, and started feeling "this contract makes me no1 in the team" etc. But Red Bull cannot go back and say...actually we expected you to out perform Ricciardo and you haven't ...so we are going to discount your contract until you grow up a little.
Nor with they listen to Ricciardo say "I am driving far better than him this year so I deserve more" because Max's contract was not signed on the basis of his driving this year.
Ricciardo is in the situation of being second driver from a contract point of view as they already have one driver, the logical anchor of the team for years to come, secured. With one driver secured, what do you pay to sign up a second driver who does not appear to have any other options?
There is an argument that they should give him the same deal as Verstappen, even if only for one year, and this would be best for team moral overall. But it is an expensive way to secure team moral when Ricciardo has little choice if they offer less.
The greater the disparity between contracts, the more Ricciardo would have reason to feel he is treated as second,
the more some of the team will seek maximise the greatest investment, and perhaps the more Verstappen will continue to act as though he the king.
But they can save a lot of money by paying the driver with no options less.