mikeyg123 wrote: Fiki wrote: mikeyg123 wrote: Fiki wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Hang on, What are you saying here? Senna received a push from the marshal's when on track and clearly in a dangerous position. His car is almost entirely on track when they come to a stop.
Judge for yourself where the actual push start happened.
Watch from 12:27 or slightly earlier.
I think it's clear where it started. Senna was obviously in a dangerous position. I would argue even the escape road is surely a dangerous position. If Senna had broken down in the middle of that chicane run off there is no way his car gets left there.
Of course it's clear where the car started; in the escape road, after Senna had been pushed to safety there. A car on the track has to be pushed off the track. Since that was the case, there could only have been one reason why Senna asked for an additional push. And it was not for safety.
Do the rules say a driver can only ask to be pushed if his intentions are to move into a safe place? I don't think they do, so Senna's motives are a moot point. His car was in a dangerous position so allowed to be pushed. Senna's car was not in a position of safety. It was in the middle of the escape road. No way is that car being left there if Senna gets out, so clearly it is an unsafe position.
What you write is precisely the reasoning that was used by Senna, and other drivers after him, to get around the rule that forbids outside assistance.
Look again at the rule Exediron quoted. While it is the current wording, I'm confident the 1989 one didn't differ in any essential way - though I would love to able to read all of the 1989 sporting code again, and you know I have been and remain critical of the rule writing myself.
22.4 If a car stops on the track it shall be the duty of the marshals to remove it as quickly as
possible so that its presence does not constitute a danger or hinder other competitors. Under
no circumstances may a driver stop his car on the track without justifiable reason.
If any mechanical assistance received during the race results in the car re-joining the stewards
may exclude him from the race (other than under Article 22.7(d).
Under the current rules then, they could easily disqualify him for what happened. I don't know if that clause was in the sporting regulations circa 1989, however.
I underlined the part that is important in order to understand that in the 1980s, a car would usually be left stranded off the track, as you can see for yourself when watching those races again. Monaco was an exception, because there mostly wasn't any place off-track for a driver to park his car, so they were usually craned or pushed off.
A driver was and still is, not allowed to just stop his car on the track; he has to pull off. If he couldn't help but break down on the track, the marshals had to push it off, while passing drivers had to be prepared to stop if necessary, because of the danger to them, yellow flags being waved. So it is a car stopped on the track that is in a dangerous place.
Once off the track, no pushing was required anymore, and the rules certainly didn't stipulate that the car had to be secured behind the armco or other barriers. Monaco was the obvious exception, because in most places there is only track.
So you see that Senna's motives were important. He knew that once beyond the white line marking the chicane boundary, he had been pushed into the escape road, and therefore out of a dangerous place. And the reason he kept motioning for a further push therefore was not to get himself to a place of greater safety; he asked for a further push to bump start his car and rejoin the race.
That bump start was indeed a valid reason to disqualify him from the race result, just as using the escape road without good reason was. (As I recall, drivers using the chicane escape road at Monaco, had to obey the marshals' order before being allowed to rejoin the track further down Avenue JF Kenedy.)
I think it is perfectly possible the bump start wasn't used as the prime reason for disqualifying Senna from the race result, if abuse of the
But I'm confident it would have been explained to them at the appeal hearing. Just as the proper use of an escape road would have been. And most likely the proper way to interpret racing etiquette, seeing he was punished extra for dangerous driving.
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