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"Seb showed more nerves this season than before," Hamilton told Stuttgarter Nachrichten newspaper.

"None of us are superman, and everyone can fail under extreme pressure," Some reached that point sooner, others later.

"Looking at Lewis' season, I respect that," "For sure he had a good car but I think Seb's car was also as good and Lewis maintained a cooler head and a better level of consistency and composure. You have to respect that. In the heat of battle he was always very calm and he drove a very good season."

Blinky McSquinty wrote:And the point of this exercise is ... ?

Oh, I get it, let's attempt to besmirch and put down drivers by pointing out the opinions by other drivers. Can I go next? Are any drivers immune? How about gingers, and can we body shame too?

davidheath461 wrote:Hamilton:

"Seb showed more nerves this season than before," Hamilton told Stuttgarter Nachrichten newspaper.

"None of us are superman, and everyone can fail under extreme pressure," Some reached that point sooner, others later.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns37927.html

Ricciardo:

"Looking at Lewis' season, I respect that," "For sure he had a good car but I think Seb's car was also as good and Lewis maintained a cooler head and a better level of consistency and composure. You have to respect that. In the heat of battle he was always very calm and he drove a very good season."

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/216 ... ettel-2017

davidheath461 wrote:Hamilton:

"Seb showed more nerves this season than before," Hamilton told Stuttgarter Nachrichten newspaper.

"None of us are superman, and everyone can fail under extreme pressure," Some reached that point sooner, others later.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns37927.html

Ricciardo:

"Looking at Lewis' season, I respect that," "For sure he had a good car but I think Seb's car was also as good and Lewis maintained a cooler head and a better level of consistency and composure. You have to respect that. In the heat of battle he was always very calm and he drove a very good season."

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/216 ... ettel-2017

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

davidheath461 wrote:So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

davidheath461 wrote:

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Zoue wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

up until this year he had done, so unclear why that was supposed to be a myth.

Exediron wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

That myth has been put to bed ever since he left RBR, since it's become clearer with every passing season that the one who really steps it up after the summer break is Adrian Newey.

davidheath461 wrote:

Zoue wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

up until this year he had done, so unclear why that was supposed to be a myth.

so why didn't he do it this year?

Ah yes, because Newey wasn't there to give him a magical upgrade.

davidheath461 wrote:

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

Warheart01 wrote:I'm actually glad this is brought up. Vettel has had this reputation of ''never crumbling under pressure'', while Hamilton has had the opposite reputation for some strange reason. Always have I felt that it should be the other way around and the 2017 F1 season proved I was right.

Zoue wrote: So because he's done it in the past he has to do it every year?

Could be Newey, of course, although that doesn't explain why Mark never stepped up to the plate in the same way. But again, not sure why not doing it this year invalidates him doing it in seasons past? Strange logic

Blake wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Blake wrote:
As for Ricciado's comment, you only read what you wanted to see, not what Danny said. He never said a word about Seb cracking under pressure in your quote. What he did say is that Lewis handled it better, which can't be argued.

So what happened to the notion that Vettel steps up a gear after the summer break, and performs when the title pressure is on? Ironically it was Hamilton who stepped up a gear, while Vettel only won 1 race after the summer break.

Hopefully that myth can finally be put to bed.

So that is your response to my post pointing out that your thread title name was untrue? That you apparently only saw what you wanted to see in Danny's actual comment. Diversion tactics yet again. LMAO.

I personally don't give a damn about some so-called myth, never did, nor did I ever use it. The sole purpose of your thread was to create yet another bash of Vettel, and other than attracting one of the forum's other continual Vettel critics, it has failed miserably, heath.

davidheath461 wrote:

Zoue wrote: So because he's done it in the past he has to do it every year?

The question i asked is why didn't he do it this year? It seems you can't answer that.

Vettel had the potential to win 4 races after the summer break. He only won 1.

1 of the races he didn't win was due to mechanical failure, the other 2 were because he crashed into other drivers.

Could be Newey, of course, although that doesn't explain why Mark never stepped up to the plate in the same way. But again, not sure why not doing it this year invalidates him doing it in seasons past? Strange logic

The idea is that we're trying to separate driver performance from car performance. And as you say it could have been Newey.

mikeyg123 wrote:
Vettel clearly stepped up a level towards the end of the season in years gone past. I fail to see how Vettel not being able to do that this year changes that.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Well, Ricciardo beat Vettel very clearly when they were teammates; it was not even close. Ricciardo seems to be on ahigher level than Vettl.

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

Singapore, Mexico and ?

I agree that the 2 above were excellent qualifying laps.

However, it's not much good getting pole if you crash into someone else on the first lap.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Ricciardo already proved he was on (or above) Vettel's level in 2014.

Warheart01 wrote:I'm actually glad this is brought up. Vettel has had this reputation of ''never crumbling under pressure'', while Hamilton has had the opposite reputation for some strange reason. Always have I felt that it should be the other way around and the 2017 F1 season proved I was right.

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:
Vettel clearly stepped up a level towards the end of the season in years gone past. I fail to see how Vettel not being able to do that this year changes that.

2010 - he just stopped making silly mistakes and started doing what he should have been doing all season (i.e. winning from pole).

So he stepped up then?

2011 - no step up in performance after the summer break.

He was performing brilliantly anyway

2012 - The Newey upgrades at Singapore/Japan is clearly what brought him back into contention. 3 front row lockouts for Red Bull between Japan and India which was massive in a season like 2012.

He didn't even have the quickest car towards the end of 2012. He still managed to win 4 races in a row in the last 6 races. He won one the whole rest of the season. He clearly stepped up.

2013 - Tyre changes played into Red Bull's hands. He was also performing very well before the summer break.

He won every single race after the summer break. It's not like Webber was finishing second every race either. Again,
clear improvement.

I don't really see how it's clear that Vettel stepped up in previous years.

What would have needed to happen for it to be clear to you?

mikeyg123 wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:
Vettel clearly stepped up a level towards the end of the season in years gone past. I fail to see how Vettel not being able to do that this year changes that.

2010 - he just stopped making silly mistakes and started doing what he should have been doing all season (i.e. winning from pole).

So he stepped up then?

2011 - no step up in performance after the summer break.

He was performing brilliantly anyway

2012 - The Newey upgrades at Singapore/Japan is clearly what brought him back into contention. 3 front row lockouts for Red Bull between Japan and India which was massive in a season like 2012.

He didn't even have the quickest car towards the end of 2012. He still managed to win 4 races in a row in the last 6 races. He won one the whole rest of the season. He clearly stepped up.

2013 - Tyre changes played into Red Bull's hands. He was also performing very well before the summer break.

He won every single race after the summer break. It's not like Webber was finishing second every race either. Again,
clear improvement.

I don't really see how it's clear that Vettel stepped up in previous years.

What would have needed to happen for it to be clear to you?

Rockie wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

Singapore, Mexico and ?

I agree that the 2 above were excellent qualifying laps.

However, it's not much good getting pole if you crash into someone else on the first lap.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Ricciardo already proved he was on (or above) Vettel's level in 2014.

Austin


Well like I said one swallow does not make a summer right now Max has his number.

Rockie wrote:

Warheart01 wrote:I'm actually glad this is brought up. Vettel has had this reputation of ''never crumbling under pressure'', while Hamilton has had the opposite reputation for some strange reason. Always have I felt that it should be the other way around and the 2017 F1 season proved I was right.

Yup just like '14 proved you right smh.

It's as if Vettel naysayers wait till he does wrong and then go you see I told you so.

What is most funny is Hamilton could not hold a candle to Vettel in the 1st half of the season, and I reckon had Malaysia and Japan turbo and spark plug failure not happened this cracking under pressure nonsense won't come up.

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:
Vettel clearly stepped up a level towards the end of the season in years gone past. I fail to see how Vettel not being able to do that this year changes that.

2010 - he just stopped making silly mistakes and started doing what he should have been doing all season (i.e. winning from pole).

So he stepped up then?

2011 - no step up in performance after the summer break.

He was performing brilliantly anyway

2012 - The Newey upgrades at Singapore/Japan is clearly what brought him back into contention. 3 front row lockouts for Red Bull between Japan and India which was massive in a season like 2012.

He didn't even have the quickest car towards the end of 2012. He still managed to win 4 races in a row in the last 6 races. He won one the whole rest of the season. He clearly stepped up.

2013 - Tyre changes played into Red Bull's hands. He was also performing very well before the summer break.

He won every single race after the summer break. It's not like Webber was finishing second every race either. Again,
clear improvement.

I don't really see how it's clear that Vettel stepped up in previous years.

What would have needed to happen for it to be clear to you?

2010 - This is the only one you could argue. His performance level didn't really improve though in terms of outright speed. He just started doing what he should have been doing all season.

2011 - so no step up in performance? glad we agree.

2012 - Of those 4 races, he had a dominant car in 3 of them (Japan, Korea, India) while in Singapore Hamilton retired infront of him, and he choked in qualifying after dominating practice. You have to kidding on this one. It was clearly the Newey upgrades which propelled him to those wins.

Perhaps you should read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/20118852

2013 - I guess we were watching different seasons. You seem to be judging Vettel's performance purely by his results. His driving performance was great before and after the summer break. What allowed to win every race after the summer break was the tyre change. Webber's managed to haul himself back up into 3rd place in the WDC following the summer break despite 3 DNFs. He finished on the podium in all the other races.

mikeyg123 wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:
Vettel clearly stepped up a level towards the end of the season in years gone past. I fail to see how Vettel not being able to do that this year changes that.

2010 - he just stopped making silly mistakes and started doing what he should have been doing all season (i.e. winning from pole).

So he stepped up then?

2011 - no step up in performance after the summer break.

He was performing brilliantly anyway

2012 - The Newey upgrades at Singapore/Japan is clearly what brought him back into contention. 3 front row lockouts for Red Bull between Japan and India which was massive in a season like 2012.

He didn't even have the quickest car towards the end of 2012. He still managed to win 4 races in a row in the last 6 races. He won one the whole rest of the season. He clearly stepped up.

2013 - Tyre changes played into Red Bull's hands. He was also performing very well before the summer break.

He won every single race after the summer break. It's not like Webber was finishing second every race either. Again,
clear improvement.

I don't really see how it's clear that Vettel stepped up in previous years.

What would have needed to happen for it to be clear to you?

2010 - This is the only one you could argue. His performance level didn't really improve though in terms of outright speed. He just started doing what he should have been doing all season.

2011 - so no step up in performance? glad we agree.

2012 - Of those 4 races, he had a dominant car in 3 of them (Japan, Korea, India) while in Singapore Hamilton retired infront of him, and he choked in qualifying after dominating practice. You have to kidding on this one. It was clearly the Newey upgrades which propelled him to those wins.

Perhaps you should read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/20118852

2013 - I guess we were watching different seasons. You seem to be judging Vettel's performance purely by his results. His driving performance was great before and after the summer break. What allowed to win every race after the summer break was the tyre change. Webber's managed to haul himself back up into 3rd place in the WDC following the summer break despite 3 DNFs. He finished on the podium in all the other races.

In 2012 what makes you think it was Red Bull improving rather than Vettel? Could it have been Vettel? Could it perhaps not be a bit of both?

davidheath461 wrote: Firstly, did you read the article i sent you? That has details on the major upgrades for the Asian leg that Red Bull used.

Following the introduction of these upgrades, Red Bull suddenly started locking out the front row having not done so all season. It doesn't take a genius to see that it was Newey who stepped up, rather than Vettel.

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

Singapore, Mexico and ?

I agree that the 2 above were excellent qualifying laps.

However, it's not much good getting pole if you crash into someone else on the first lap.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Ricciardo already proved he was on (or above) Vettel's level in 2014.

Austin


Well like I said one swallow does not make a summer right now Max has his number.

It was certainly more than one swallow. Vettel was firmly put in his place by Ricciardo over a 20 race season.

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Warheart01 wrote:I'm actually glad this is brought up. Vettel has had this reputation of ''never crumbling under pressure'', while Hamilton has had the opposite reputation for some strange reason. Always have I felt that it should be the other way around and the 2017 F1 season proved I was right.

Yup just like '14 proved you right smh.

It's as if Vettel naysayers wait till he does wrong and then go you see I told you so.

What is most funny is Hamilton could not hold a candle to Vettel in the 1st half of the season, and I reckon had Malaysia and Japan turbo and spark plug failure not happened this cracking under pressure nonsense won't come up.

I guess it's kind of ironic then that Hamilton was the one who "stepped up a gear" after the summer break.

The cracking under pressure is not without basis. It comes from incidents like Singapore and Mexico.

Rockie wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:

davidheath461 wrote:

Rockie wrote:I'm sure if Vettel had an engine mode to go to that can save him in the race like the Merc drivers he would just have been fine.

Vettel delivered three of the best qualifying laps witnessed this this season.

Singapore, Mexico and ?

I agree that the 2 above were excellent qualifying laps.

However, it's not much good getting pole if you crash into someone else on the first lap.

As for Ricciardo when he gets to Vettels level he can talk, for now he should concentrate on being team leader at Redbull.

Ricciardo already proved he was on (or above) Vettel's level in 2014.

Austin


Well like I said one swallow does not make a summer right now Max has his number.

It was certainly more than one swallow. Vettel was firmly put in his place by Ricciardo over a 20 race season.

By this I'm getting english is not your first language.