Black_Flag_11 wrote:Bottas was awful most of this season to be fair, Kimi was poor and I’m not sure either deserve to be in the top 10. That said without looking into it I’d rate them pretty similar and it wouldn’t surprise me if I ended up rating Kimi’s season ahead of Bottas’ if I compared them in detail.
Bottas in his first year at Mercedes scored 84% of Hamilton's points. Kimi, in his 4th season at Ferrari, scored only 65% of Vettel's points. Bottas won 3 races, Kimi none. Bottas was on the podium 13 times, Kimi only 7, even less than Ricciardo (9) in slower and less reliable Red Bull
Bottas on average finished race 9.125s behind Hamilton, Kimi 16.076s behind Vettel.
It's a joke Bottas was rated lower than Kimi, but nowadays Formula 1 is a joke itself, so I guess it fits right into that mould.
minchy wrote:My thoughts on Occon vs Perez are that it may be influenced by the way Perez was with the press and team after their comings together. For a driver with the experience that Perez has now, he acted very much like you'd expect from a rookie. Purely based on talent I'd put Perez higher Occon, but for drivers I'd want in my team, I would have him lower.
pokerman wrote:As an overview of what team bosses think doesn't sit well with Perez, for me it seems obvious that Perez was better but they would rather have Ocon, I guess because they see a driver with more potential but also I wonder if they take into account the attitude of a driver?
Outside of the top teams Perez has been best of the rest for the past couple of seasons now but doesn't register with the people that count.
It's not "who I wanna hire" ranking, but, let me quote
Autosport asked all 10 F1 teams' bosses to rank their top 10 drivers, based on on-track performances over the course of this year's 20 races
If they include other aspects in their opinions, well, it proves they aren't that smart bunch of people. It's like saying that Alonso doesn't deserve to be even in 2007 Top 4, because he was a massive tw@t that brought ignominy on his team by blocking team mate in qualifying, blackmailing his team and accusing them of sabotage. Or Vettel should be outside Top 5 this year, because he deliberately drove into competitor during a race and showed absolutely no remorse plus 2 times he displayed awful racecraft at the start in Singapore and Mexico. But hey, it pales in comparison with Perez, who dared risky moves in Monaco with one that didn't work (and his great battle with Palmer and Stroll wasn't even shown by moron of a tv director), negotiated team orders over radio in Canada, was put into wall at Baku by team mate, which robbed very possible victory and definite podium from Force India and then at Spa returned the favour.
Nope. 17 times out of 20 (18 finished) races in points, with Ocon scoring 18 times, doesn't deserve recognition by these fools. For armchair expert like me it shows Force India had by far the best pair of drivers outside Big 4, both were very fast and super consistent and together they brought another priceless 4th place in Constructors' Championship. Why then one is 5th in this ranking, while the other one, much more experienced yes, but with more points scored, isn't? Mystery or utter stupidity?
Then I saw Sainz is in Top 10
I guess colliding with Stroll in Bahrain, wiping out Grosjean and Massa in Canada, colliding with Ocon in Malaysia, spinning out of race at the first lap in Japan and finally spinning at the 2nd lap in Mexico, all the things he was solely responsible for, gives him that recognition. Congrats team principals, your judgement is extraordinary
My Top 10, based only on on-track performance, judged by pressure on their shoulders, mistakes made, quality of their cars and team mates and finally results brought home:
I know what I'm talking about.