2017 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Race Thread

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Looks like Hamilton will be a road block for Vettel to help Bottas secure 2nd in the WDC table.

robins13 · Post by **robins13** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:18 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:Looks like Hamilton will be a road block for Vettel to help Bottas secure 2nd in the WDC table.

From Quali thread

robins13 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Could Hamilton be sacrificing pole to get in between Bottas & vettel? Mercedes surely would like a 1-2 in WDC table as well.
Vettel just needs to finish 8th to get that 2nd place in WDC

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:37 pm

robins13 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Looks like Hamilton will be a road block for Vettel to help Bottas secure 2nd in the WDC table.
From Quali thread
robins13 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Could Hamilton be sacrificing pole to get in between Bottas & vettel? Mercedes surely would like a 1-2 in WDC table as well.
Vettel just needs to finish 8th to get that 2nd place in WDC

Yeah but he could a la 2016 i.e. keep Vettel behind allowing others to close in on him Lol.

Hamilton could still win tomorrow though. All depends on the start.

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:43 pm

Yeah forget about Hamilton helping Bottas. Bottas is 22 points behind, he would need the win and an abnormally bad race by Vettel to do it. Unlikely.
The race tomorrow will be decided at turn 1. Hamilton slowed down last year and Rosberg never even hinted at attacking him. It's pretty much impossible to overtake like cars here.
If Bottas is holding up the field then Merc may interfere with team orders because they are not going to want to lose a race to Ferrari. So as long as Bottas has a good start and is quicker than the Ferraris I reckon it will be a win for him.

lamo · Post by **lamo** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:06 pm

Hamilton can win tomorrow in a straight fight. Is it a one or two stopper? I hope Mercedes let them run different strategies.

Even if they run the same strategy, I would not rule out Hamilton overtaking Bottas on track. Bottas always struggles on the other tyre, like Nico used to in 2014. Especially when he has good qualifying pace.

Lotus49 · Post by **Lotus49** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:10 pm

lamo wrote:Hamilton can win tomorrow in a straight fight. Is it a one or two stopper? I hope Mercedes let them run different strategies.

Even if they run the same strategy, I would not rule out Hamilton overtaking Bottas on track. Bottas always struggles on the other tyre, like Nico used to in 2014. Especially when he has good qualifying pace.

One stopper I think and yeah there is usually 1 stint Bottas struggles and with the newer PU in Lewis's hands I'd back him to get the job done with a pass or through the stops too.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:49 pm

lamo wrote:Hamilton can win tomorrow in a straight fight. Is it a one or two stopper? I hope Mercedes let them run different strategies.

Even if they run the same strategy, I would not rule out Hamilton overtaking Bottas on track. Bottas always struggles on the other tyre, like Nico used to in 2014. Especially when he has good qualifying pace.

but if they are running p1(bottas) and p2(lewis) do you think lewis would still go for an overtake or just waste his "speedy gonzales" engine by holding station and enjoy the scenery.

GingerFurball · Post by **GingerFurball** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:01 pm

lucifers wrote:
lamo wrote:Hamilton can win tomorrow in a straight fight. Is it a one or two stopper? I hope Mercedes let them run different strategies.

Even if they run the same strategy, I would not rule out Hamilton overtaking Bottas on track. Bottas always struggles on the other tyre, like Nico used to in 2014. Especially when he has good qualifying pace.
but if they are running p1(bottas) and p2(lewis) do you think lewis would still go for an overtake or just waste his "speedy gonzales" engine by holding station and enjoy the scenery.

If he's faster he'll go for it. I doubt he'll fancy a 2nd title winning season in a row where he fails to win the last 3 races.

lamo · Post by **lamo** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:10 pm

I think you need to be about 0.7-1.0 second faster per lap to overtake in AD. Hamilton is going to be able to run more laps in the higher modes, he just needs to attack Bottas at a phase in which he in unable to match him for engine mode.

I fancy Hamilton to have a big attack either in the first 3 laps, immediately after the first stop or at the very end. The most likely scenario being after the first stop for me.

I think we need Bottas to lead with Hamilton P2 after the end of lap 1 for it to be an interesting race.

MasterRacer · Post by **MasterRacer** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:47 pm

Mod edit

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:48 am

MasterRacer wrote: trolling removed .

Arent' you supposed to be on vacation somewhere?

BMWSauber84 · Post by **BMWSauber84** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:12 am

kleefton wrote:
MasterRacer wrote: trolling removed.
Arent' you supposed to be on vacation somewhere?

Masterracer always makes me think of the Red hot Chilli pepper's song 'under the brodge'. Can't think why.

Perhaps there isn't much to do in Bognor Regis.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:46 am

MasterRacer wrote: trolling removed .

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:23 am

Have a great Sunday & enjoy the final race of 2017:

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:03 am

UnlikeUday wrote:Looks like Hamilton will be a road block for Vettel to help Bottas secure 2nd in the WDC table.

Bottas needs Vettel to finish 9th or lower what Hamilton does it irrelevant.

Hamilton will be going to win.

Schumacher forever#1 · Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:55 am

Great end to the F2 race worth a re-watch!

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:42 pm

Another 1 stop race, not expecting much.

neek · Post by **neek** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:47 pm

pretty cool flyover

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:50 pm

Last race already. I particularly remember China (the 2nd round) as if it was yesterday. This has been one quick season

Abu Dhabi rarely ever does it for me. All of my interest today will be around the Toro Rosso/Renault/Haas WCC scrap

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:58 pm

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Great end to the F2 race worth a re-watch!

This is not the F2 race thread and I haven't watched it yet.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:59 pm

Predicting Hamilton to take the lead in T1 with a better launch and the inside line.

Not expecting much of a race tbh, Abu Dhabi is a bit of a downer to end the season on IMO, boring track.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:00 pm

Possibly the last race called by David Hobbs. I'm gonna miss the ol' sod.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:07 pm

No changes in the first 12 positions. that's pretty unique for a start.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:12 pm

I don't agree with the 5 second penalty for the Hulk, he should give the place back, this is like tactical penalties.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:12 pm

Hulkenberg an idiot for not giving that position back. Now he gets 5 seconds added to his time.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:13 pm

pokerman wrote:I don't agree with the 5 second penalty for the Hulk, he should give the place back, this is like tactical penalties.

He had the chance to give the place back and declined to do so. It's all his fault that he has a time penalty.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:13 pm

Never been a fan of these 5 sec penalties. It's not enough of a deterrent

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:15 pm

mcdo wrote:Never been a fan of these 5 sec penalties. It's not enough of a deterrent

No meanwhile Bottas is looking quick

F1nut · Post by **F1nut** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:17 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:Possibly the last race called by David Hobbs. I'm gonna miss the ol' sod.

You and me both.........

And the manner in which he has been ousted, along with Steve Matchett and Will Buxton means the end of American broadcasting F1 coverage.........., and that really sucks, as noted by Hobbo here: https://nesn.com/2017/11/david-hobbs-up ... rior-show/

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 pm

F1nut wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:Possibly the last race called by David Hobbs. I'm gonna miss the ol' sod.
You and me both.........

And the manner in which he has been ousted, along with Steve Matchett and Will Buxton means the end of American broadcasting F1 coverage.........., and that really sucks, as noted by Hobbo here: https://nesn.com/2017/11/david-hobbs-up ... rior-show/

Wow...that's a depressing link (although thanks for sharing). I wont be watching F1 next year on USA tv so I wont be subjected to this miserable situation that all US viewers will have to deal with. A real shame for David and Steve. They were a good team. All they needed back was Bob Varsha.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:25 pm

Stroll vs grojean giving us some entertainment cause the Mercedes boys sure as hell won't

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:26 pm

lucifers wrote:Stroll vs grojean giving us some entertainment cause the Mercedes boys sure as hell won't

Why isn't Ferrari doing anything?

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:31 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:
lucifers wrote:Stroll vs grojean giving us some entertainment cause the Mercedes boys sure as hell won't
Why isn't Ferrari doing anything?

2 horse race between Mercedes.Ferrari and red bull don't stand a chance

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:32 pm

Post count in this thread is almost non existent. Not many people watching this race.

BlackMan · Post by **BlackMan** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:33 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:Post count in this thread is almost non existent. Not many people watching this race.

I'm here....looks quite boring atm zZzZz

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:36 pm

Hulkenberg's penalty that wasn't a penalty.

BlackMan · Post by **BlackMan** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:40 pm

pokerman wrote:Hulkenberg's penalty that wasn't a penalty.

High stakes for Renault regarding that championship spot. Toro Rosso won't score a point with that lineup.

F1Tyrant · Post by **F1Tyrant** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:40 pm

Bottas is doing pretty well. However, he usually has one slow stint so the SS stint may be his Botta train stint...

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:40 pm

Ricardo out

ALESI · Post by **ALESI** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:45 pm

I think we can put to bed the idea that Hamilton is trying to help Bottas...