Re: 2017 Mexican Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:19 pm
pokerman wrote:Alonso forcing another car off the track also hitting it causing damage he's the first to complain about bad driving.
pokerman wrote:Alonso forcing another car off the track also hitting it causing damage he's the first to complain about bad driving.
I agree, Max "squeezed" Hamilton and it was in the boundaries of normal racing, Hamilton was behind and he did what was right, back down and all was fine, Max ahead, Hamilton behind, but what Vettel did is for penalty, he pushed Max and caused contact with him on the previous corner and pushed Hamilton too while Hamilton was ahead of Vettel and cause another incident. If this doesn't desever a penalty then pushing cars with contact can become official strategy in F1 as long as it serves the needs (mainly make it interesting to the last race, which is a farse).Ennis wrote:I don't think you can squeeze too much on corner exit when you are ahead and have the racing line, so I don't blame Max for that one. It was actually lesser than the one Vettel did to him just prior to that.Aspar wrote:WTF is Vettel doing, he first squeezed Max out of the track then hit Hamilton. Needs a penalty, but they won't give him. Max also squeezed Hamilton too much, but Hamilton backed down enough to not cause a hit, then Vettel just hit him from the side. Max and Vettel have been so unprofessional in the last several races it's mind boggling.
I like Vettel but man... It's times like that that make me wonder if Webber's critique of his spacial awareness carries more than a little truth. This season has both elevated and sank Vettel in my opinion, strange one - has shown some outstanding moves I didn't think he was capable of, and performed some stupid moves I wish he wasn't capable of.
I think if you give someone no option to leave the track you can hardly complain if they overtake you off track.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Vettel has to give that place back to Massa.
What? Massa drove him off the track. He even steered in Vettels direction (perhaps he tried not to oversteer?).Alienturnedhuman wrote:Vettel has to give that place back to Massa.
They shouldn't have a track limit on the outside of a corner.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Why is it becoming more and more acceptable for drivers to completely shove others off the racing track? It's getting worse each year. Vettel should definitely not hand that back IMO.
No, you hit the brakes and try again. JHC do people think that Vettel is just entitled to everything?mikeyg123 wrote:I think if you give someone no option to leave the track you can hardly complain if they overtake you off track.Alienturnedhuman wrote:Vettel has to give that place back to Massa.
Massa hasn't shoved him off at all, where else is he meant to go? The onus is on the guy on the outside trying to brave it out to keep it together, he went off the track to pass Massa, should give the place back.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Why is it becoming more and more acceptable for drivers to completely shove others off the racing track? It's getting worse each year. Vettel should definitely not hand that back IMO.
50 seconds off the led and dropping 1.5 seconds per lapMasterRacer wrote:Seb is in quite a good position having done his pit stop. He could actually still win this.
He did. From his onboard it even looked deliberate.Flash2k11 wrote:Massa hasn't shoved him off at all, where else is he meant to go?Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Why is it becoming more and more acceptable for drivers to completely shove others off the racing track? It's getting worse each year. Vettel should definitely not hand that back IMO.
He has cruised up to Sainz at a rate of knots despite attempting to one stop those tyres, he was miles behind after that first lap, he is doing just fine.Aspar wrote:Is there a problem with Hamilton's car? He is not gaining any places. I call this circus, and they wonder less and less people watch F1.
What, next race, Hamilton just rams Vettel, take them both out of the race and voila - no problems, valid strategy from what we see so far. Push cars, hit them and it's fine.
What? Vettel could very easily have kept it on the track but Massa would have smashed into the side of him.Flash2k11 wrote:Massa hasn't shoved him off at all, where else is he meant to go? The onus is on the guy on the outside trying to brave it out to keep it together, he went off the track to pass Massa, should give the place back.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Why is it becoming more and more acceptable for drivers to completely shove others off the racing track? It's getting worse each year. Vettel should definitely not hand that back IMO.
Looks like Vettel's head has gone either way, he absolutely had to stay out of trouble today and ended up having 2 bumps in the first 2 corners. That little diatribe over the radio shows where he is at.
Thanks for the info, can't get live timing to work atm for some reason and have no idea what the timings are, bar what the TV shows. Now I just saw he is just behind him.Flash2k11 wrote:He has cruised up to Sainz at a rate of knots despite attempting to one stop those tyres, he was miles behind after that first lap, he is doing just fine.Aspar wrote:Is there a problem with Hamilton's car? He is not gaining any places. I call this circus, and they wonder less and less people watch F1.
What, next race, Hamilton just rams Vettel, take them both out of the race and voila - no problems, valid strategy from what we see so far. Push cars, hit them and it's fine.
Mass took the corner with way more speed than the car was capable of. Oversteering wildly in the corner clearly indicates this. He was out of control and shoved Vettel, who was clearly alongside and ahead going into the corner.Flash2k11 wrote:Massa hasn't shoved him off at all, where else is he meant to go? The onus is on the guy on the outside trying to brave it out to keep it together, he went off the track to pass Massa, should give the place back.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Why is it becoming more and more acceptable for drivers to completely shove others off the racing track? It's getting worse each year. Vettel should definitely not hand that back IMO.
Looks like Vettel's head has gone either way, he absolutely had to stay out of trouble today and ended up having 2 bumps in the first 2 corners. That little diatribe over the radio shows where he is at.
That is a somewhat queer view of this incident, although I agree he touched Hamilton because of lost downforce. But the contact was up to Vettel to avoid. Racing incident from my povPullrod wrote:What a Shame...
A WDC race Now ruined by a guy(Verstappen) who thinks he is still playing videogames.
This was the same stuff Verstappen did to Vettel in Canada.
Vettel had lost downforce after the contact today so he could not brake properly to avoid Hamilton.
What a shame. Good job.
Are we watching the same race? Vettel pushed Verstappen off track on the exit of turn 1Pullrod wrote:What a Shame...
A WDC race Now ruined by a guy(Verstappen) who thinks he is still playing videogames.
This was the same stuff Verstappen did to Vettel in Canada.
Vettel had lost downforce after the contact today so he could not brake properly to avoid Hamilton.
What a shame. Good job.
The rules dont apply to Vettel it seems.lamo wrote:Are we watching the same race? Vettel pushed Verstappen off track on the exit of turn 1Pullrod wrote:What a Shame...
A WDC race Now ruined by a guy(Verstappen) who thinks he is still playing videogames.
This was the same stuff Verstappen did to Vettel in Canada.
Vettel had lost downforce after the contact today so he could not brake properly to avoid Hamilton.
What a shame. Good job.
Verstappen clipped Vettel front wing same as in Canada.lamo wrote:Are we watching the same race? Vettel pushed Verstappen off track on the exit of turn 1Pullrod wrote:What a Shame...
A WDC race Now ruined by a guy(Verstappen) who thinks he is still playing videogames.
This was the same stuff Verstappen did to Vettel in Canada.
Vettel had lost downforce after the contact today so he could not brake properly to avoid Hamilton.
What a shame. Good job.