2017 Mexican Grand Prix Race Thread

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:42 pm

Congratulations Hamilton get in

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:42 pm

Zblogger wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Jesus it's easy to forget how much we miss Alonso's racing in F1.

I just wonder what he could be doing with a decent car behind him. the guy is Amazing. Great little fight there.

Yes he's good at hitting cars that try to pass him.

flyboy10 · Post by **flyboy10** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:42 pm

Invade wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Why is Hamilton fighting so hard for points, considering where Vettel is?
The joy of racing.

More risky than necessary but I'm sure he enjoyed it

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 pm

Well driven and controlled Max - super weekend.

Fantastic season for Lewis Hamilton. 4xWDC... outstanding.

Next year we'll have two 4xWDCs battling against the other, and I expect Red Bull will be there and don't rule out McLaren.

Aspar · Post by **Aspar** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 pm

Well done Lewis, congrats champ!!!

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 pm

Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.

Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass

Migen · Post by **Migen** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:44 pm

Congrats Hamilton & his fans... deserved title win.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:44 pm

A Red Bull leads every lap and sets fastest laps at the end. Where have I seen that before?

Aspar · Post by **Aspar** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

pokerman wrote:
Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.
Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass

Alonso has always been a whiney primadona, but he still has skills and that fight with Hamilton was joy to watch.

Tassadar · Post by **Tassadar** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

Congratulations Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes. What a run they've had! Hamilton is truly in the top class of all time!

lamo · Post by **lamo** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

F1Tyrant wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Why is Hamilton fighting so hard for points, considering where Vettel is?
Vettel merely had to drive the last two sectors of lap 1 with a damaged front wing. Hamilton had to do it with no right-rear tyre.

Hamilton lost huge amounts of time that Vettel simply didn't. Punctures are generally more damaging.

Hamilton was 26 seconds behind Vettel once they had both pitted but the Ferrari probably had the race pace on Mercedes too today.

MasterRacer · Post by **MasterRacer** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

zaar wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:Vettel only has himself to blame for his defeat today. It was his brain dead move to hit TWO cars on lap 1 and send himself into the pits for a new nose.
It was his only chance. He made it look accidental and is the driver of the day with incredible moves all over the track. But he needed a safety car to really get the rewards he needed.
At first I thought you were joking but now ...
That assumption is beyond ridiculous.

I'm not joking. Hamilton would have easily got fifth without a first lap incident. Don't forget Seb already had damage too so he really needed to cut his tyre to have a prayer.

Ocon · Post by **Ocon** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

Awesome, wish I was there.

Schumacher forever#1 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:45 pm

Coulthard would ya go away hahahaha

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:46 pm

MasterRacer wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:Vettel only has himself to blame for his defeat today. It was his brain dead move to hit TWO cars on lap 1 and send himself into the pits for a new nose.
It was his only chance. He made it look accidental and is the driver of the day with incredible moves all over the track. But he needed a safety car to really get the rewards he needed.

Oaf of the day perhaps?

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Congratulations to Lewis for securing the championship. It was a solid race after the misfortune of losing his tire on the first lap through no fault of his own. I think he is quite deserving of this one and is driver of the year to boot.

For Vettel it was a disasterous first lap. I think he was pushing too hard there into the first corner and really got out of shape there. He also took Lewis out there and was lucky to get away with it. He did show his class though in this race and from lap 2 onwards I felt he was driver of the day. Furious charge through the field today and it just wasn't on the cards unfortunately. That said, Ferrari will very much see this season as a major step forward. They were right there at the front with Mercedes and with the winter coming, they could pull ahead if they out-develop them.

For Max, we have seen in recent races that he is finally starting to cash in on the results that his pace suggests he should produce. He is something special and next season should be very interesting between the top 3 teams (and possibly McLaren too) provided Renault are able to make their engine competitive.

MasterRacer · Post by **MasterRacer** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:47 pm

pokerman wrote:
Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.
Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass

He only asked in hope and his voice was resigned, because usually he'd be screaming about an illegal move.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:50 pm

MasterRacer wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.
Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass
He only asked in hope and his voice was resigned, because usually he'd be screaming about an illegal move.

Always asking for drivers to be penalised when he tries to push them off the track is classless

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:51 pm

Ok it's over now I can breath again.

F1Tyrant · Post by **F1Tyrant** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:51 pm

sandman1347 wrote:He is something special and next season should be very interesting between the top 3 teams (and possibly McLaren too) provided Renault are able to make their engine competitive.

The Renault is already quick! It just needs to be more reliable!

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:52 pm

Every countries' fans are now the best fans

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:52 pm

In a strange way it was an exciting race even though really we all assumed the title race was long over. Well perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.

Anyway, hugely impressive from Max Verstappen. Red Bull are genuinely competitive with Mercedes and Ferrari. I don't think they'll quite be this strong at the last two races but they have made huge strides and it bodes wonderfully well for 2018.

zaar · Post by **zaar** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:53 pm

pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.
Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass
He only asked in hope and his voice was resigned, because usually he'd be screaming about an illegal move.
Always asking for drivers to be penalised when he tries to push them off the track is classless

To be honest: in contrast to Massa against Vettel the duel between Alonso was hard but fair racing. Alonso did not leave really much space for Hamilton but just enough for Hamilton to stay beside him without leaving the track.

GingerFurball · Post by **GingerFurball** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:55 pm

pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zblogger wrote:
pokerman wrote:Alonso hits Hamiltons car and then asks about track limits, the only driver that played it clean was Hamilton.

Was a lovely little duel there though.
Apart from Alonso asking about a legal pass
He only asked in hope and his voice was resigned, because usually he'd be screaming about an illegal move.
Always asking for drivers to be penalised when he tries to push them off the track is classless

Alonso wasn't asking for a penalty, he just asked if Lewis had left the track to pass him. Given how much Alonso squeezed Hamilton on the outside it's a reasonable question to ask.

Ocon · Post by **Ocon** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:55 pm

zaar wrote:
Ocon wrote:So all the second drivers in the first three places, doesn't happen often.
I'm not at all convinced that Verstappen is no. 2 at Red Bull

He sure is looking good lately.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:56 pm

I agree that Max is special. No ordinary talent indeed. I'm convinced he'll be consistently one of the best three drivers on the grid over the course of most of his career and often the best. We've seen raw speed, good race management (OK he took risks today I guess there's still work to do there) and the ability to make up places off the start consistently. He's a shark out there.

GingerFurball · Post by **GingerFurball** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:57 pm

Invade wrote:In a strange way it was an exciting race even though really we all assumed the title race was long over. Well perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.

Anyway, hugely impressive from Max Verstappen. Red Bull are genuinely competitive with Mercedes and Ferrari. I don't think they'll quite be this strong at the last two races but they have made huge strides and it bodes wonderfully well for 2018.

I would actually be more surprised to see Vettel win the title next season than I would to see either one of the Red Bull drivers. I think they're clearly the 2nd best car and may well have the best race package at the moment.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:57 pm

purchville wrote:Every countries' fans are now the best fans

The country with the best crowd/fans according to Lewis Hamilton:

https://m.imgur.com/aNXz706

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:58 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote:
purchville wrote:Every countries' fans are now the best fans
The country with the best crowd/fans according to Lewis Hamilton:

https://m.imgur.com/aNXz706

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:58 pm

GingerFurball wrote:
Invade wrote:In a strange way it was an exciting race even though really we all assumed the title race was long over. Well perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.

Anyway, hugely impressive from Max Verstappen. Red Bull are genuinely competitive with Mercedes and Ferrari. I don't think they'll quite be this strong at the last two races but they have made huge strides and it bodes wonderfully well for 2018.
I would actually be more surprised to see Vettel win the title next season than I would to see either one of the Red Bull drivers. I think they're clearly the 2nd best car and may well have the best race package at the moment.

There's nothing between Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrari at the moment. It's really down to who puts together the best weekend now (basically it's been like this since Singapore).

Schumacher forever#1 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:59 pm

I don't think Raikkonen and Bottas could be at a place that suited them less up there with the dj

Lojik · Post by **Lojik** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 pm

Grats to Hamilton on title number 4. Vettel confirms his position as the grids biggest lap 1 liability. That boy needs to have a word with himself. Brundle calls the race "Hamilton's poorest of the season". I personally think Brundle and Crofty's commentary for this race was the worst I have ever heard in F1. Utterly awful by the pair of them fron start toi finish.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 pm

sandman1347 wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:
Invade wrote:In a strange way it was an exciting race even though really we all assumed the title race was long over. Well perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.

Anyway, hugely impressive from Max Verstappen. Red Bull are genuinely competitive with Mercedes and Ferrari. I don't think they'll quite be this strong at the last two races but they have made huge strides and it bodes wonderfully well for 2018.
I would actually be more surprised to see Vettel win the title next season than I would to see either one of the Red Bull drivers. I think they're clearly the 2nd best car and may well have the best race package at the moment.
There's nothing between Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrari at the moment. It's really down to who puts together the best weekend now (basically it's been like this since Singapore).

Yeh depends on the circuit right now. Merc were probably third best in quali and race today but I still think there were only 3 or so tenths in it in qualifying (check comments in fastest car thread) and there weren't huge differences in race pace today either and we didn't get to use Hamilton as any sort of vague barometer today - I wonder if he also had some car damage that limited his race pace.

Very much balanced between the top three teams now. Fundamentally, I agree.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 pm

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I don't think Raikkonen and Bottas could be at a place that suited them less up there with the dj

I was thinking exactly the same

Ocon · Post by **Ocon** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 pm

What a party!!!!

veffy · Post by **veffy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote:A Red Bull leads every lap and sets fastest laps at the end. Where have I seen that before?

Mercedes the last 4 years?

Ocon · Post by **Ocon** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I don't think Raikkonen and Bottas could be at a place that suited them less up there with the dj

I think Kimi could be a dj, he seems very musical.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Watching the replay of the start is not pretty.

veffy · Post by **veffy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote:
purchville wrote:Every countries' fans are now the best fans
The country with the best crowd/fans according to Lewis Hamilton:

https://m.imgur.com/aNXz706

lol

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Invade wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:
Invade wrote:In a strange way it was an exciting race even though really we all assumed the title race was long over. Well perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.

Anyway, hugely impressive from Max Verstappen. Red Bull are genuinely competitive with Mercedes and Ferrari. I don't think they'll quite be this strong at the last two races but they have made huge strides and it bodes wonderfully well for 2018.
I would actually be more surprised to see Vettel win the title next season than I would to see either one of the Red Bull drivers. I think they're clearly the 2nd best car and may well have the best race package at the moment.
There's nothing between Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrari at the moment. It's really down to who puts together the best weekend now (basically it's been like this since Singapore).

Yeh depends on the circuit right now. Merc were probably third best in quali and race today but I still think there were only 3 or so tenths in it in qualifying (check comments in fastest car thread) and there weren't huge differences in race pace today either and we didn't get to use Hamilton as any sort of vague barometer today - I wonder if he also had some car damage that limited his race pace.

Very much balanced between the top three teams now. Fundamentally, I agree.

I wouldn't be suprised if Hamilton did have damage but we saw again one of the Mercedes weakness which is following in the dirty air.