2017 US Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:03 pm
Hamilton poised for the win, unless Vettel leads into turn 1.
And Hamilton will drag him up the hill Merc Grunt should do it. As long as it is done through racing not crash or mechanical I will be happyMayhem wrote:Seb will get the inside line going into turn one. He could force hamilton wide and possibly take the lead like hamilton did to nico in 2015
For sure, seb has nothing to lose at this point. Its all or nothing. He has to win this race so it will be very interesting if he gets a better start off the line.moby wrote:And Hamilton will drag him up the hill Merc Grunt should do it. As long as it is done through racing not crash or mechanical I will be happyMayhem wrote:Seb will get the inside line going into turn one. He could force hamilton wide and possibly take the lead like hamilton did to nico in 2015
Very good IIRC. Dan was quickest out of the pair but Max hadn't put the new engine worth about 10bhp in yet so potentially they could go even better.GingerFurball wrote:How were Red Bull looking in long runs?
Second grid spot is off racing line. Unless Lewis has a bad start, I don't see Vettel being a head at the first corner. Remember also it is a short run to the first corner for the leaders. No chance for slip streaming.Mayhem wrote:Seb will get the inside line going into turn one. He could force hamilton wide and possibly take the lead like hamilton did to nico in 2015
It will be complicated for sure, but Seb he must to try anything to inflict maximum issues on Hamilton.cmax wrote:Second grid spot is off racing line. Unless Lewis has a bad start, I don't see Vettel being a head at the first corner. Remember also it is a short run to the first corner for the leaders. No chance for slip streaming.Mayhem wrote:Seb will get the inside line going into turn one. He could force hamilton wide and possibly take the lead like hamilton did to nico in 2015
Stroll and Rogro could easily have been a very bad one. Don't know if he moved off because he senses a car there, but it would have been badLlotyhy wrote:In case anyone missed it, Magnussen and Stroll were both given a 3-place penalty for impeding other drivers.
Looks like Verstappen will start from P16. I always like the races where he starts from the back.
That assumes that Hamilton is desperate to win at all costs, I think Hamilton sees the bigger picture, he will just give way to stay in the race and finish, he should beat the rest of the field and even if Vettel wins he pulls back just 7 of 59 points.Lotus49 wrote:All comes down to the start or the in/out laps from the pits. Dirty air will kill the car behind through S1.
Could get tasty.
I agree, if LH gets a good launch I think he will go for it, he is a racer after all. If not then he may well give way, however, Vettel is under pressure as well, if he got involved in another lap 1 incident it would look really bad for him.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
The way the track is shaped at turn 1, a lunge into risks being overtaken on the inside and Hamilton is good at those. I think Vettel would be sensible and try an overtake during the race or do an undercut during the pitstops.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
If we are to be super cynical, then I would imagine Hamilton defending harder against Vettel than anybody else in the field. If they take each other out, then that's not really a disaster for Hamilton. If anything, of the two I think Vettel would likely blink first.Option or Prime wrote:I agree, if LH gets a good launch I think he will go for it, he is a racer after all. If not then he may well give way, however, Vettel is under pressure as well, if he got involved in another lap 1 incident it would look really bad for him.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Other way round. Hamilton can afford 2 DNFs. Vettel realistically needs to win all 4 remaining races.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Exactly and if Hamilton leads after T1 he will win. Vettel isn’t a fool he must know this, he has been quicker in the race and not able to overtake Bottas before so he has no chance against Hamilton. The one stop races also means he can’t offset his strategy from Hamilton’s, as soon as some clean air comes up Mercedes will pit taking away the chance of an undercut.GingerFurball wrote:Other way round. Hamilton can afford 2 DNFs. Vettel realistically needs to win all 4 remaining races.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Keep us updated Clarky!Clarky wrote:Thunder, lightening and torrential rain here in Austin.
Still 6hrs 20mins until the race.
With due respect, I beg to differ. It's Vettel who will lose if he collides. Knowing that there are 4 races, Vettel still would be hoping to clinch the title & that would be his motivation. If he collides & retires along with Hamilton, Vettel's chance of being a WDC this year will completely diminish. If he somehow wins, his chances remain alive.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Woah. That surely will wash away all the rubber from the track.Clarky wrote:Thunder, lightening and torrential rain here in Austin.
Still 6hrs 20mins until the race.
I get where you’re coming from but I think it’s past that now. Vettel’s chances are so slim but that he needs to approach every race with a win or nothing mentality now. If he was 25 or 30 points behind I’d agree with you.UnlikeUday wrote:With due respect, I beg to differ. It's Vettel who will lose if he collides. Knowing that there are 4 races, Vettel still would be hoping to clinch the title & that would be his motivation. If he collides & retires along with Hamilton, Vettel's chance of being a WDC this year will completely diminish. If he somehow wins, his chances remain alive.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Hamilton on the other hand, should be relaxed. He has to score lesser points when compared to Vettel & wouldn't take any risk. Knowing Hamilton, he wouldn't be subdued & would aim for the victory as well.
The race start is the most crucial point for Vettel. He needs to keep it clean & be a little cautious. This could be his last chance to fight for the title.
I can't see how Brundle's (or indeed anyone else's) pre-race grid walk can happen in the midst of all that. For a start there'll be no drivers for anyone to interview on the grid. A shame, pre-race interviews are often quite revealing.
Agreed, vettel needs to take chances to make the pass on hamilton. As where hamilton can be more relaxed at take less of a risk. Vettel has to win, and imo will be more forceful if the opportunity presents itself.Black_Flag_11 wrote:I get where you’re coming from but I think it’s past that now. Vettel’s chances are so slim but that he needs to approach every race with a win or nothing mentality now. If he was 25 or 30 points behind I’d agree with you.UnlikeUday wrote:With due respect, I beg to differ. It's Vettel who will lose if he collides. Knowing that there are 4 races, Vettel still would be hoping to clinch the title & that would be his motivation. If he collides & retires along with Hamilton, Vettel's chance of being a WDC this year will completely diminish. If he somehow wins, his chances remain alive.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
Hamilton on the other hand, should be relaxed. He has to score lesser points when compared to Vettel & wouldn't take any risk. Knowing Hamilton, he wouldn't be subdued & would aim for the victory as well.
The race start is the most crucial point for Vettel. He needs to keep it clean & be a little cautious. This could be his last chance to fight for the title.
With the rain over night now its an even playing field. Shorter run to turn 1 yes, but vettel can block if hes close enough forcing ham wide. He just has to be along side to maximize his chance. So it will be interesting for sure. (All speculation and foresight) but thats what i would try if i was vettel.cmax wrote:Second grid spot is off racing line. Unless Lewis has a bad start, I don't see Vettel being a head at the first corner. Remember also it is a short run to the first corner for the leaders. No chance for slip streaming.Mayhem wrote:Seb will get the inside line going into turn one. He could force hamilton wide and possibly take the lead like hamilton did to nico in 2015
Seb realistically needs to risk forcing a DNF and here would be very good, because it's a strong track for Hamilton and a Mercedes track. If the aggressive move goes wrong and only Seb retires oh well, at least he tried something. Hamilton has it all to lose now because most people have already crowned him champion.GingerFurball wrote:Other way round. Hamilton can afford 2 DNFs. Vettel realistically needs to win all 4 remaining races.Black_Flag_11 wrote:It will be interesting to see how Hamilton and Vettel handle the start. Vettel has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to so Vettel should really be making a lunge into T1.
That’s assuming Hamilton doesn’t cover him off on the inside but how will Hamilton feel about sweeping to the left to cover a driver in his blind spot after what happened at Singapore?
I don't think that is what he is saying at all. He is merely trying to point out that Vettel needs to take chances even if it means he crashes out. Where do you see anything in his statement does he imply "deliberately" frabicating a crash. What an asinine interpretation you have put forth.Option or Prime wrote:Do you seriously think Vettel would premeditate and fabricate a crash, (which is what I am assuming you mean). He is above that. He might react in the midst of the action but I don't believe he would plan to "force a DNF" as you suggest.
You understood and explained my point perfectly. Thanks.Blake wrote:I don't think that is what he is saying at all. He is merely trying to point out that Vettel needs to take chances even if it means he crashes out. Where do you see anything in his statement does he imply "deliberately" frabicating a crash. What an asinine interpretation you have put forth.Option or Prime wrote:Do you seriously think Vettel would premeditate and fabricate a crash, (which is what I am assuming you mean). He is above that. He might react in the midst of the action but I don't believe he would plan to "force a DNF" as you suggest.
I highly suspect that Seb is smart enough to know the difference between taking chances to try to win and intentionally crashing to end his WDC chances.
Not sure if serious. This is the post Option or Prime was replying to.Blake wrote:I don't think that is what he is saying at all. He is merely trying to point out that Vettel needs to take chances even if it means he crashes out. Where do you see anything in his statement does he imply "deliberately" frabicating a crash. What an asinine interpretation you have put forth.Option or Prime wrote:Do you seriously think Vettel would premeditate and fabricate a crash, (which is what I am assuming you mean). He is above that. He might react in the midst of the action but I don't believe he would plan to "force a DNF" as you suggest.
I highly suspect that Seb is smart enough to know the difference between taking chances to try to win and intentionally crashing to end his WDC chances.