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pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
Vettel got clobbered because of Max & Raikkonen coming together.
No Vettel squeezed Verstappen into Kimi, he obviously didn't know Kimi was were he was and that Verstappen would have nowhere to go.
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Rockie wrote:
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Rockie wrote:How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching
As a Vettel fan, it makes me cringe when his fans are so blinded they can't see his error. Just please, please watch it carefully till you can comprehend it without bias.
Watch the replay again!
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pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
Vettel got clobbered because of Max & Raikkonen coming together.
No Vettel squeezed Verstappen into Kimi, he obviously didn't know Kimi was were he was and that Verstappen would have nowhere to go.
Vettel was a car length ahead of both

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That'll be the first and last ever wet night race start we ever have. Vettel was far too aggressive squeezing Max there, it was all entirely avoidable. Feel sorry for Kimi and Alonso, Alonso especially, what a start! Lewis' christmas' have all come at once.
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MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Your Vettel did this all by himself.

Extremely Poor driving from Vettel. What an idiot he was.

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UnlikeUday wrote:Ricciardo still could win this race.
I think he's favourite TBH. Nothing to lose, whereas Lewis has a sizeable lead in the WDC to lose.

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Rockie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
Vettel got clobbered because of Max & Raikkonen coming together.
No Vettel squeezed Verstappen into Kimi, he obviously didn't know Kimi was were he was and that Verstappen would have nowhere to go.
Vettel was a car length ahead of both
If he was a car length ahead there'd have been no initial contact, because he'd be ahead.

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HAM 2 secs on that lap faster than RIC

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mikeyg123 wrote:Has Vettel cost himself the championship?

Verstappen has been cost the win.

It's not the first time Vettel has caused an accident at the start because he hasn't considered the possibility of more than one car on the inside.
Horse manure!

Verstappen hooked Kimi, by not expecting Kimi's incredible start, which threw Kimi into Vettle, which damaged the #5 Ferrari's side-pod dumping hydraulic fluid onto Vettles left rear tire causing his later difficulty.

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minchy wrote:My humble opinion:

Safe start but vettel squeezed Max too much not knowing that Kimi was on Max's inside.

Vettel to blame if anyone, but entirely a racing incident and Kimi was probably unseen by Vettel.
Agree completely. Not sure if it's possible to account for Kimi in your thought process as you do the 1st corner squeeze. Happened in Spa last year too.

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Flash2k11 wrote:Lewis' christmas' have all come at once.
He sure got his miracle. It's his biggest slice of luck since... Singapore 2008!

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Herb Tarlik wrote:You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.
I doubt he will get penalty. It all looked like Kimi and Max collided. Vettel was in front.
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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Nothing wrong with the track conditions to blame Charlie for.
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Flash2k11 wrote:That'll be the first and last ever wet night race start we ever have. Vettel was far too aggressive squeezing Max there, it was all entirely avoidable. Feel sorry for Kimi and Alonso, Alonso especially, what a start! Lewis' christmas' have all come at once.
Feel sorry for F1, Charlie makes the right call for once and he wont bother again.
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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote: Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.
Seriously, your arrogance is getting a little tiring. I don't think it's that clear cut as Vettel left Max space. Happy to be proven wrong in the fullness of time but there's no need to make such aggressive pronouncements

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Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
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Hamilton's voodoo worked out this time.

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Colinjb wrote:Damn it Vettel. Far too aggressive again.

Kudos to the stewards for starting the race properly, this was a racing incident that could have been avoided if Vettel had allowed his competitors space to race.
Agreed. Vettel will get a penalty for his ridiculous driving.
Hmm, not sure about that. Vettel definitely kicked it off but it was far from the worst chop we've seen down to the first corner. Dumb move but three cars out and a McLaren a dozen positions further back than it should be is more than you'd normally expect for something like that. If he was still running then an in-race penalty might be on the cards but one that carries over feels excessive.

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Zoue wrote: Funny, commentators here are laying the blame squarely at Kimi's feet...
I'd say watch it again!

Clear as day for me.

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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Nothing wrong with the track conditions to blame Charlie for.
I agree the track conditions aren't to blame. Think a combination of factors led to the first corner incident, though. Not convinced pointing the finger at Vettel is accurate

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Hahahaha, Vettel, say goodbye to the title.

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Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote: Funny, commentators here are laying the blame squarely at Kimi's feet...
I'd say watch it again!

Clear as day for me.
which is fair enough. For you. But leaves the door open to confusion...

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I really don't see how Kimi could be blamed. He just went in a straight line.

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Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
commentators are all saying it and Vettel has apologised to Ferrari.
Funny, commentators here are laying the blame squarely at Kimi's feet...
Of course, commentators are never wrong.

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Come on lets not laugh at drivers.

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Hamilton driving on a different track... MUST. NOT. BE. TOO. COCKY.

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Prema wrote:Hamilton's voodoo worked out this time.
Nope. It was Vettel poor decision making at the start of this race.

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dizlexik wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.
I doubt he will get penalty. It all looked like Kimi and Max collided. Vettel was in front.
I had to watch a few replays, but the accident chain was triggered by Max coming left again. He probably didn't know he was being passed by Räikkönen. Although it's quite possible he could hear him alongside.
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Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.
Seriously, your arrogance is getting a little tiring. I don't think it's that clear cut as Vettel left Max space. Happy to be proven wrong in the fullness of time but there's no need to make such aggressive pronouncements
Vettel has apologized. Case closed.

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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship :(
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Nothing wrong with the track conditions to blame Charlie for.
I agree the track conditions aren't to blame. Think a combination of factors led to the first corner incident, though. Not convinced pointing the finger at Vettel is accurate
Agree. There's a little bit of everything happening all at once. But I'd expected him, not knowing what was there, to take the safe option given what's his stake for him.

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mikeyg123 wrote:I really don't see how Kimi could be blamed. He just went in a straight line.
Vettel has apologized to the team. It's his fault.

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Rockie wrote:How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching
If he was ahead of Verstappen he wouldn't have hit his car when he moved across.
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Prema wrote:Hamilton's voodoo worked out this time.
I think you might have misspell "Vettel's poor decision-making" :D

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mikeyg123 wrote:I really don't see how Kimi could be blamed. He just went in a straight line.
I'm not entirely convinced, either, myself. But they are saying that he jinked to his right just before the collision and into Max's path. From one angle it does look a bit like that

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How many laps until slicks?
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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote: Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.
Seriously, your arrogance is getting a little tiring. I don't think it's that clear cut as Vettel left Max space. Happy to be proven wrong in the fullness of time but there's no need to make such aggressive pronouncements
Vettel has apologized. Case closed.
Apologised for what?

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:I really don't see how Kimi could be blamed. He just went in a straight line.
Vettel has apologized to the team. It's his fault.
Where are you getting this news?!

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
Shock!
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Now that all that excitement is over, looking for a podium for Perez today now :)
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