2017 Singapore Grand Prix Race Thread

simonr23 · Post by **simonr23** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:11 pm

Poor alonso. Up to third and then gets hit. He could've held third today, too.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:11 pm

F1nut wrote:
SDLRob wrote:That's all Vettel's fault isn't it?
duuhhh, looked like Verstappen didn't use his left rear view mirror and hooked Kimi - didn't see him I suspect.........

Sad for Kimi as that was terrific launch off the line for him, ruined by the kid.

Vettel squeezed Max out.

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:11 pm

Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...

Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision

zaar · Post by **zaar** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 pm

Perhaps Vettel went into the wall because of liquids from his radiator ...

F1Tyrant · Post by **F1Tyrant** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 pm

Ennis wrote:Odds on Hamilton retiring due to one of the most random failures possible? Helmet visor clip failure or something?

Nah, he's got to be careful as the first man on the track. Ricciardo has nothing to lose. Hamilton will be conservative AF.

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 pm

Ennis wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:Hamilton what luck...
Odds on Hamilton retiring due to one of the most random failures possible? Helmet visor clip failure or something?

As a Hamilton fan, I'd not be that bothered!

This was supposed to be Seb's moment to pull ahead and if Lewis comes out 3 points ahead he'd have taken that before the race.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 pm

F1nut wrote:
SDLRob wrote:That's all Vettel's fault isn't it?
duuhhh, looked like Verstappen didn't use his left rear view mirror and hooked Kimi - didn't see him I suspect.........

Sad for Kimi as that was terrific launch off the line for him, ruined by the kid.

Looked like that but it's not what happened.

minchy · Post by **minchy** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 pm

Full credit to McLaren to see Alonso continuing after that hit!

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

This disaster for Ferrari is just staggering.

ALESI · Post by **ALESI** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Vettel has finished his own championship. Utterly unnecessary squeeze on Verstappen. Wasn't needed, just stupid mind games. He still seems to have some insecurity in close racing.

And I'm not sure, but after still surviving, did he just spin on his own, like a simple rookie traction error?

Oil.

Underviewer · Post by **Underviewer** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

Not a good move by Vettel. A grid penalty at the next gp I bet aswell for causing a collision.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

How is that McLaren still running?!

Colinjb · Post by **Colinjb** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

Damn it Vettel. Far too aggressive again.

Kudos to the stewards for starting the race properly, this was a racing incident that could have been avoided if Vettel had allowed his competitors space to race.

smiddlehurst · Post by **smiddlehurst** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

MasterRacer wrote:It was NEVER safe for a normal start

Nonsense. Nothing about that crash was a result of the conditions. If Vettel had held his line instead of trying to squeeze the Red Bull then there's no problems. Notice that there's no problems with spray at that point and there were no other incidents for the quarter lap or so they were racing. 100% the right call, safety wasn't compromised as a result and the accident was down to driver error.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

Underviewer wrote:Not a good move by Vettel. A grid penalty at the next gp I bet aswell for causing a collision.

Vettel should get a pretty substantial penalty.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching

VDV23 · Post by **VDV23** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

mcdo wrote:This is what Spa 2012 felt like for Alonso fans

I'd say that feels pretty bad as well for Alonso fans. Up to P3 in Singapore where the McLaren has pace and in the wet where ALO is fantastic (and the McLaren even stronger). Dare I say with Vettel, Kimi & Max out, he was in for a podium, depending on Bottas' race.

Tassadar · Post by **Tassadar** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Vettel panicked because he wanted the win. Both Ferrari drivers are to blame there. Verstappen tried slamming the brakes.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Colinjb wrote:Damn it Vettel. Far too aggressive again.

Kudos to the stewards for starting the race properly, this was a racing incident that could have been avoided if Vettel had allowed his competitors space to race.

Agreed. Vettel will get a penalty for his ridiculous driving.

F1Tyrant · Post by **F1Tyrant** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

ALESI wrote:Oil.

Ah. Max's hit did damage Vettel's car.

Zoue · Post by **Zoue** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision

I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Vettel has apologised to Ferrari

zaar · Post by **zaar** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm

Underviewer wrote:Not a good move by Vettel. A grid penalty at the next gp I bet aswell for causing a collision.

Sure. Noone ever moved to the inside after the start. Hang him high!

Fiki · Post by **Fiki** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

All this squeezing, even on a wet track, even with the visibility problems worsened by artificial light...

I can think of only one reason why Verstappen thought coming left again might be a clever idea; being at the apex ahead. And that, dear Charlie, is your doing.

minchy · Post by **minchy** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:
Underviewer wrote:Not a good move by Vettel. A grid penalty at the next gp I bet aswell for causing a collision.
Vettel should get a pretty substantial penalty.

I don't agree, as Kimi may not have been visible by Vettel. Maybe he should've stuck to his line instead of moving on Max, but he left Max space (just not Kimi).

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:
Underviewer wrote:Not a good move by Vettel. A grid penalty at the next gp I bet aswell for causing a collision.
Vettel should get a pretty substantial penalty.

For What exactly?

Max went into Kimi, and Kimi collected Vettel.

IDrinkYourMilkshake · Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Rockie wrote:How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching

As a Vettel fan, it makes me cringe when his fans are so blinded they can't see his error. Just please, please watch it carefully till you can comprehend it without bias.

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?

commentators are all saying it and Vettel has apologised to Ferrari.

Ennis · Post by **Ennis** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:15 pm

mcdo wrote:How is that McLaren still running?!

Down on power, so as their car design doesn't matter they decided to used armoured plates.

wonder81 · Post by **wonder81** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Well I'm guessing that has put an end to wet weather starts

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Rockie wrote:How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching
As a Vettel fan, it makes me cringe when his fans are so blinded they can't see his error. Just please, please watch it carefully till you can comprehend it without bias.

Watch the replay again!

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
Vettel got clobbered because of Max & Raikkonen coming together.

No Vettel squeezed Verstappen into Kimi, he obviously didn't know Kimi was were he was and that Verstappen would have nowhere to go.

IDrinkYourMilkshake · Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

F1Tyrant wrote:
ALESI wrote:Oil.
Ah. Max's hit did damage Vettel's car.

It was Raikkonen who hit Vettel's side, actually.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Herb Tarlik wrote:
Colinjb wrote:Damn it Vettel. Far too aggressive again.

Kudos to the stewards for starting the race properly, this was a racing incident that could have been avoided if Vettel had allowed his competitors space to race.
Agreed. Vettel will get a penalty for his ridiculous driving.

Doubt it, seemed like a racing incident and he's already retired which tends to dissuade the stewards. They often take the view that his dnf is punishment enough.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Ricciardo still could win this race.

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

The really sad thing for Ferrari is that Kimi's great start was the reason all of this happened.

Herb Tarlik · Post by **Herb Tarlik** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
MasterRacer wrote:Bloody joke Charlie

You've killed the championship
Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?

You are completely wrong. Anyone watching the first 10 seconds of this race can see Vettel's ridiculous move. He's 100% at fault and will get investigated by the FIA.

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:16 pm

IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Vettel has finished his own championship. Utterly unnecessary squeeze on Verstappen. Wasn't needed, just stupid mind games. He still seems to have some insecurity in close racing.

And I'm not sure, but after still surviving, did he just spin on his own, like a simple rookie traction error?

Edit: He likely spun on fluids leaking from his own damaged sidepod. Still, it was his own doing.

Looks to me like Vettel spun on his own oil/coolant....following damage after hitting Kimi

Zoue · Post by **Zoue** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:17 pm

Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote: Blame your driver Vettel for that.
I'm confused...
Why?

Vettel movement caused the collision
I'm confused because I don't think that's the case? Is this hard?
commentators are all saying it and Vettel has apologised to Ferrari.

Funny, commentators here are laying the blame squarely at Kimi's feet...

minchy · Post by **minchy** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:17 pm

Rockie wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Rockie wrote:How exactly are people blaming Vettel from behind he was way ahead of Max and Kimi, it's as if people are just listening to commentators and not watching
As a Vettel fan, it makes me cringe when his fans are so blinded they can't see his error. Just please, please watch it carefully till you can comprehend it without bias.
Watch the replay again!

Max left Kimi room until Vettel drove over to him.