2017 Italian Grand Prix Race Thread

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:40 pm

Hoping tomorrow Vettel somehow manages to give Hamilton a fight.

Ja'a · Post by **Ja'a** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:49 pm

Italian GP dude

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:14 pm

Ya, edit the thread title.

The first time all year we might very well get a back to back winner.

moby · Post by **moby** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:31 pm

Thats some engine penalty

( that post would be typical of me)

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:49 pm

A nice mixed up field for tomorrow.
No rain expected.

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:51 pm

I'm wondering if Raikkonen and Vettel will struggle to overtake the slower Mercedes customer cars. Those cars are very strong in a straight line and overtaking at Monza has traditionally been done mostly at the first corner...

Good_Year · Post by **Good_Year** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:44 pm

Has the revised grid been released yet?

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:55 pm

Will be interesting to see the Red Bull and Ferrari cars try to come through and see how high Stroll/Ocon can manage to finish. Would be good if Bottas could jump Hamilton at the start as he will almost certainly be slower in the race.

Actually it would be good to see both Vettel and Hamilton behind their teammates to see how Mercedes/Ferrari play it with potential team orders.

lamo · Post by **lamo** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:58 pm

Unless Hamilton completely blows the start, something that he hasn't done with the 2017 car and something he only has ever done in the 2016 car - I can't see Bottas taking the lead from 4th. But stranger things have happened.

With the wider cars, its only wide enough for side by side on the entry to turn 1 too.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:00 pm

lamo wrote:Unless Hamilton completely blows the start, something that he hasn't done with the 2017 car and something he only has ever done in the 2016 car - I can't see Bottas taking the lead from 4th. But stranger things have happened.

Came back to edit my post as I had completely forgotten Bottas isn't second on the grid

Yeah unlikely to see much action up front then but hopefully Stroll can get a mega start to keep things interesting for a few laps. Is this potentially going to be the first race this season where there isn't a battle for the lead? Or have we already had one?

Edit: forgot Silverstone.

Kev627 · Post by **Kev627** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:11 pm

Good_Year wrote:Has the revised grid been released yet?

Italian GP provisional starting grid - top 10
1) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
2) Lance Stroll, Williams
3) Esteban Ocon, Force India
4) Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
5) Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
6) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
7) Felipe Massa, Williams
8 ) Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren
9) Sergio Perez, Force India
10) Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso
From Sky Sports

Llotyhy · Post by **Llotyhy** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:41 pm

Hoping for a podium for my boy Ocon.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:09 am

Kev627 wrote:
Good_Year wrote:Has the revised grid been released yet?
Italian GP provisional starting grid - top 10
1) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
2) Lance Stroll, Williams
3) Esteban Ocon, Force India
4) Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
5) Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
6) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
7) Felipe Massa, Williams
8 ) Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren
9) Sergio Perez, Force India
10) Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso
From Sky Sports

I thought that the Hulk out qualified Kvyat?

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:54 am

With penalties applied, the provisional grid is as follows: Hamilton, Stroll; Ocon, Bottas; Raikkonen, Vettel; Massa, Vandoorne; Perez, Kvyat; Magnussen, Ericsson; Wehrlein, Verstappen; Hulkenberg, Sainz; Ricciardo, Palmer; Alonso, Grosjean.

funkymonkey · Post by **funkymonkey** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:04 am

Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:12 am

funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.

I agree with a lot of this, don't forget the Red Bulls will be coming through the field as well, have to say that I find it almost inevitable that there will be a high value casualty with all the shuffling of positions.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:21 am

funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.

Vettel is only starting 6th and he has his teammate ahead of him. His pretty much nailed on for at least a podium

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:43 am

funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.

????????????????

All the races they've entered till now has had a turn one!

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:45 am

F1_Ernie wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.
Vettel is only starting 6th and he has his teammate ahead of him. His pretty much nailed on for at least a podium

Oh yeah as Bottas being in front and the other 3 cars don't matter.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:48 am

Rockie wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.
Vettel is only starting 6th and he has his teammate ahead of him. His pretty much nailed on for at least a podium
Oh yeah as Bottas being in front and the other 3 cars don't matter.

Kimi will get out of the way and Vettel will pass Stroll and Ocon equals a podium, simple

.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:49 am

funkymonkey wrote:Stroll and Ocon will find it difficult to keep Bottas and Vettel behind them. Regardless of their strong straight line speed, its too much to ask for from those cars in dry and current weather is nice and Sunny and expected to stay this way.

This is title defining race for Vettel. He has to finish in Top 3 or title will be gone IMO. Ideally right behind Hamilton at worse.

Hamilton has to ensure he stays out of trouble at turn 1. Williams have done some great starts recently, so has Ocon in his FI, cant afford to get tangled with these 2. They dont know how to take turn one at the front of the grid. They will be new to this. Will be very interesting start today.

Hmmm not really as he can recover the lost points at Singapore as if Mercedes have their usual problems dere, it will be devastating for the considering how good the Redbull chassis is now especially at that track. Lucky for Vettel Redbull took an engine penalty here as its a track you can overtake.

Banana Man · Post by **Banana Man** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:18 am

So the Saubers are starting 11th and 12th because almost half the field have penalties.

slide · Post by **slide** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:23 am

ross brawn , me and several million other people want these silly penalties gone
people who understand F1 don't get it , so what ever do F1 newbies make of it -what is the point of a 35 grid penalty -does anybody know
and what is the exact point of the super complicated engines and the expense -does anyone know that

extremely complicated expensive engines don't make the racing better
I hope we see more common sense soon

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:25 am

Adam Cooper‏ @adamcooperF1

Honda confirms 25 place grid penalty for @svandoorne so the order changes once more...

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:32 am

F1_Ernie wrote:Adam Cooper‏ @adamcooperF1

Honda confirms 25 place grid penalty for @svandoorne so the order changes once more...

Yeah! He gets a penalty cause of this:

Vandoorne takes on a 7th Internal Combustion Engine, 7th MGU-K, 10th MGU-H and 10th Turbocharger.

IDrinkYourMilkshake · Post by **IDrinkYourMilkshake** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:34 am

I have a weird feeling that Vettel will win.

Although he's never, ever won from outside the top 3 in F1.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:35 am

This is the new starting grid:

1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Lance Stroll
3 Esteban Ocon
4 Valtteri Bottas
5 Kimi Raikkonen
6 Sebastian Vettel
7 Felipe Massa
8 Sergio Perez
9 Daniil Kvyat
10 Kevin Magnussen
11 Marcus Ericsson
12 Pascal Wehrlein
13 Max Verstappen
14 Nico Hulkenberg
15 Carlos Sainz
16 Daniel Ricciardo
17 Jolyon Palmer
18 Stoffel Vandoorne
19 Fernando Alonso
20 Romain Grosjean

Banana Man · Post by **Banana Man** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:36 am

Perez now with a 5 place penalty.

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:40 am

I have a horrible feeling Lewis will dominate until near the end at which point his engine will go bang. Kimi will let Seb through on lap 1 and he'll make his way through the field ending up either 1st or 2nd next to Valtteri thus extending his lead.

But I hope not!

Lap 1, turn 1 will be Lewis's most vulnerable time.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:44 am

Saubers currently starting 10th and 11th!

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:58 am

Got a good feeling about this one, Ferrari/Bottas out of position, rookie on the front row, massively mixed up grid. This could be an epic race.

F1nut · Post by **F1nut** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:03 am

grrrr, I get up early this morning to watch the F2 race on NBCSN only to find NO F2 racing, but a repeat/replay of the screwed up timing and scoring F1 Qualifying from yesterday.........

NBCSN should be shot in the butt with a dead rabbit, for their lack of F1 broadcasting skills!

Appears the pre-Race is on now, as scheduled, hope they get their timing and scoring act together today.........

ALESI · Post by **ALESI** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:11 am

According to the media, Williams have told Lance to 'go for it' at the start. Well he has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to lose, but come on... Williams are a Merc customer. Nothing to see here.

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:11 am

We are into the territory of farce with these latest penalties, I think that moves Ericsson, who qualified 18th, into the top 10, which is quite honestly ridiculous. Wont be the last race this season that it happens either.

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:13 am

ALESI wrote:According to the media, Williams have told Lance to 'go for it' at the start. Well he has nothing to lose and Hamilton has everything to lose, but come on... Williams are a Merc customer. Nothing to see here.

I think Williams will be a lot more concerned keeping Stroll Sr happy than Mercedes.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:15 am

Well done Ericsson for managing a top 10 start! It it rather amusing that both Saubers have been given an 8 place advantage due to other penalties. This will be a very interesting grid line up though. Lets hope Sauber can try a different strategy on their drivers to see if they can possibly manage a point or 2 if there are any retirements further ahead.

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:24 am

Just seen the sky sports headline "only Lewis Hamilton will start in the position he qualified in"

Wow...

LBET · Post by **LBET** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:30 am

I've got an ominous feeling. I can't say why but im pretty sure my morning coffee getting to me and me waters. Call it a poo preminition yes.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:36 am

10 place grid penalty but you start 1 place higher. What a joke.

LBET · Post by **LBET** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:36 am

F1nut wrote:grrrr, I get up early this morning to watch the F2 race on NBCSN only to find NO F2 racing, but a repeat/replay of the screwed up timing and scoring F1 Qualifying from yesterday.........

NBCSN should be shot in the butt with a dead rabbit, for their lack of F1 broadcasting skills!

Appears the pre-Race is on now, as scheduled, hope they get their timing and scoring act together today.........

Get in line. TSN here in Canada is absolute crap. No weekly F1 show on the English channel, no FP coverage until 2016 when Blackberry started sponsoring the broadcast and even then they only coverd FP2. They have 5 farging channels and 4 of them are showing the same thing.

This is not a good strategy for growth in F1 viewership. The FOM should have some minimum standards.

P.S.
I was just reminded that, though there are no commercials during the pre race shows, TSN puts in a 4 min commercial break every 10 laps once the race gets going.