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Kimi is driving a WDC capable car and only has 2 podiums in 9 races being well beaten by drivers in comparable cars and by a driver in an inferior car, Ferrari will lose the WCC because of Kimi, I think time is up on Kimi.
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Kimi has had his time
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Kimi should be replaced. It's just embarrassing to watch him out there. He's not quick, he gets passed with ease, and he sounds utterly panicked on the radio most of the time. Someone far more deserving should get his seat at Ferrari.

And yes, Kimi will most certainly cost Ferrari the WCC this year.

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Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
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Kimi has shown some signs of life this year, Monaco qualifying being a prime example, but he is off the pace of the front runners on a fairly regular basis. I don't foresee any miraculous turn around happening, even though I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

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His time has been up for 4 years. You only seeing it now?

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I believe he's out at the end of the year , as he is not consistant enough and max is looking for a buy out of his red bull contract and fancies red overalls but Fernando is waving from a distance - look at me , I look good in red , so maybe max and Fernando at Ferrari next year , now wouldn't that make up a great team .

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It's starting to look like Kimi might cost Ferrari the WCC.

Sadly, I think he's done. I keep changing my mind who is like to see replace him. Ricciardo is my current choice.

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Herb wrote:It's starting to look like Kimi might cost Ferrari the WCC.

Sadly, I think he's done. I keep changing my mind who is like to see replace him. Ricciardo is my current choice.
Man, wouldnt that be interesting, seeing Vettel go up against Ricciardo again in equal machinery.

It's virtually certain that Kimi is going to cost Ferrari the WCC this year.

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Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel. x(

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Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel.
The other thing that will help him is that Ferrari again was willing to leave Raikkonen out to try to affect their rivals’ race, knowing that it would cost him positions.
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Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel.
The other thing that will help him is that Ferrari again was willing to leave Raikkonen out to try to affect their rivals’ race, knowing that it would cost him positions.
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I think he has, yes, sadly. He's shown some decent speed in qualifying but he can't seem to keep it going over a race distance. He has had some bad luck, but that doesn't explain why he's so often off the pace and today was simply woeful. There's no way he should have Ricciardo beat him, let alone Hamilton, and as others have said it's plain that he's costing Ferrari the WCC.

SM gave an interview at the weekend where he said that Kimi wasn't showing enough commitment, or words to that effect. I think it's really, really hard to justify his slot at the moment as he's definitely the poor relation in the Merc/Ferrari pairings. I think he has to go

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knowing that it would cost him positions.
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... according to JA, Kimi was poised for podium, but Ferrari threw it away

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Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel.
The other thing that will help him is that Ferrari again was willing to leave Raikkonen out to try to affect their rivals’ race, knowing that it would cost him positions.
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they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one

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Prema wrote:
knowing that it would cost him positions.
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... according to JA, Kimi was poised for podium, but Ferrari threw it away
Well... um.... 5th to 3rd is more than one position...
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Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
knowing that it would cost him positions.
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... according to JA, Kimi was poised for podium, but Ferrari threw it away
Well... um.... 5th to 3rd is more than one position...
Yes, that is what 'positions' (pl.) implies in that quote.
JA never gave any actual analyzes, he just pulled that out of somewhere

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Zoue wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel.
The other thing that will help him is that Ferrari again was willing to leave Raikkonen out to try to affect their rivals’ race, knowing that it would cost him positions.
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they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
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Flash2k11 wrote:
Zoue wrote: they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
Kimi's problem at that moment was two-fold: 1. had no pace to keep up with the top 3 runners, 2. He was on the US but Ham was quicker than him on SS.
There was nothing they could had done to keep his safe from Ham. And Merc pitted Ham first since they knew that Kimi was a sitting duck there, no need to waste time and wait for overcut.

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Prema wrote:
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Zoue wrote: they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
Kimi's problem at that moment was two-fold: 1. had no pace to keep up with the top 3 runners, 2. He was on the US but Ham was quicker than him on SS.
There was nothing they could had done to keep his safe from Ham. And Merc pitted Ham first since they knew that Kimi was a sitting duck there, no need to waste time and wait for overcut.
Aye, but they then left him out way longer than needed for what I presume was an attempt to hold up Bottas. Had they switched earlier, Hamilton was having issues as early as 4 laps into his stint with balance and blistering, and Kimi was setting fastest laps on the SS before Hamilton went for gold right at the end. Every chance that had he been pitted earlier, he had the pace to get the pair of them.
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Yes, sadly.

Ferrari cannot win the WCC with a driver who is incapable of beating either Merc on a normal weekend (or even a not normal weekend, as today). If they have ambitions to do so, they need a quicker #2.
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Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Zoue wrote: they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
Kimi's problem at that moment was two-fold: 1. had no pace to keep up with the top 3 runners, 2. He was on the US but Ham was quicker than him on SS.
There was nothing they could had done to keep his safe from Ham. And Merc pitted Ham first since they knew that Kimi was a sitting duck there, no need to waste time and wait for overcut.
Aye, but they then left him out way longer than needed for what I presume was an attempt to hold up Bottas. Had they switched earlier, Hamilton was having issues as early as 4 laps into his stint with balance and blistering, and Kimi was setting fastest laps on the SS before Hamilton went for gold right at the end. Every chance that had he been pitted earlier, he had the pace to get the pair of them.
Yes, that was clear that they then kept him out to try to back Bottas into Vettel, and it turned out to be but a wishful thinking.
Otherwise, I believe that were they of the understanding that Kimi was having a good race (in spite of the initial lost of the position to Ric) and that he was to keep Ham behind and eventually even pass Ric for the podium (what apparently JA believes into), they all would had the benefit out of it: Kimi, Seb, and the team. They would had gone for that. Allas... this one too would be a wishful thinking only.

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Flash2k11 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:Time was up when he first came back, that time away saw him lose the last .1% he had when he was at the very top of his game, and that's all you need to lose these days to not be at the very sharp end of things. Ferrari have had him back to be a compliant team mate who on his day, still shows the flashes of old. When the planets line up, Kimi is still as fast as anyone else out there, but the planets dont tend to line up much when the team are basically using you as the test bed.

Ferrari left him out too long again today just to try and get in Bottas' way, it would seem any aspirations Kimi has about performing to his maximum are lost on the whims of the Ferrari tactical men.
Kimi blew his P3 to Ricciardo in the opening lap, and went falling behind him. And his pace was never to match up to Hamilton who closed on him relatively easily on SS, but not attempting overtake hm on the track. So he got him with ease with an undercut, or otherwise it would had been overcut. Kimi was NEVER to defend the P4 against Ham no matter what Ferrari tactical man was to pull out of his hat. No magic there, sorry.

But this race was scandal-free. So some go trying to squeeze some juice out of "jump-start" (a bit fun around that one). And some others try with Ferrari tactical men spoiling Kimi's race for the sake of Vettel.
The other thing that will help him is that Ferrari again was willing to leave Raikkonen out to try to affect their rivals’ race, knowing that it would cost him positions.
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they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
I'm not claiming dastardly tricks. I'm just saying Kimi was slow. He should never have lost ground to Ricciardo but he dropped well back. Hamilton should never have been able to catch him in the first place. Once that ship had sailed Ferrari had nothing to0 lose in keeping him out, since he was in no danger from Grosjean. But finishing some 13s behind Hamilton is a joke

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ReservoirDog wrote:His time has been up for 4 years. You only seeing it now?
No but there was always excuses for him before, the narrative being give him a car capable of winning races and then he will, basically putting some blame on sub standard cars, now it just stands out like a sore thumb.
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Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Zoue wrote: they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
Kimi's problem at that moment was two-fold: 1. had no pace to keep up with the top 3 runners, 2. He was on the US but Ham was quicker than him on SS.
There was nothing they could had done to keep his safe from Ham. And Merc pitted Ham first since they knew that Kimi was a sitting duck there, no need to waste time and wait for overcut.
They could have pitted him before Hamilton, his new SS would be quicker than Hamilton on 25-30 lap old SS. However, it would have meant Hamilton on new US vs Kimi on older SS later. But it still would have given him a chance. What they did gave him no chance of beating Hamilton.

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Ferrari replaced Massa with a driver who they knew was Massa' equal and guess what... He has had 4 seasons at that Massa level, although i actually think Massa would have a slight edge of him these days - he has aged better in driving terms.

It was a mistake to sign him, they were seduced into thinking he was a great driver again (he is a very good one but not top level) but the Renault F1 cars of 2012 and 2013 were very very good cars and flattered him and Grosjean. Kimi was rusty in 2012 that he was getting beaten by Grosjean for large parts of the early season, without that rust he might have had a serious title challenge. Kubica in that car would have be very interesting.

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lamo wrote:Ferrari replaced Massa with a driver who they knew was Massa' equal and guess what... He has had 4 seasons at that Massa level, although i actually think Massa would have a slight edge of him these days - he has aged better in driving terms.

It was a mistake to sign him, they were seduced into thinking he was a great driver again (he is a very good one but not top level) but the Renault F1 cars of 2012 and 2013 were very very good cars and flattered him and Grosjean. Kimi was rusty in 2012 that he was getting beaten by Grosjean for large parts of the early season, without that rust he might have had a serious title challenge. Kubica in that car would have be very interesting.
Kimi did look good in the Lotus but of course at the time you couldn't be sure how good the car was, a combination of that and Alonso threatening to leave kind of forced their hand and Massa was looking less than convincing to lead the team.
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He is still a very good driver, but has clearly lost that fraction that seperates the very good from the great and the great from the elite. He still shows the odd flash, but like an aging boxer, the raw speed, reactions and consistency has largely gone.

Being very good probably isn't good enough to be in F1, and Kimi is surviving on past reputation.

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It's not just that he lacks race pace. He never looks like trying to overtake cars he is sctually racing against and never seems to put up a strong defence.

Should probably have been dropped after 2015 IMO. He was badly exposed by Alonso and hasn't looked better than Massa levels since.

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Yes, he definitely seems to have "lost a couple of tenths" over the last four years. As others have said he is able to reproduce his old ultimate pace once every while but nowhere near enough to even be close to challenging for third spot in the WDC let alone first.

I will be sad to see him go as he is my favourite but would like to see any of Ricciardo, Alonso, Perez or Grosjean in that seat next year.
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As just about everyone in here has said, it's pretty obvious his time is pretty much up. I gotta say Marchionne saying in public he thinks kimi can sometimes be a bit of a laggard is pretty ordinary, say it to him not to the press.

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rivf1 wrote:As just about everyone in here has said, it's pretty obvious his time is pretty much up. I gotta say Marchionne saying in public he thinks kimi can sometimes be a bit of a laggard is pretty ordinary, say it to him not to the press.
I thought the exact same thing after reading that article (I had to google the term "laggard"). Very derogatory term to apply to anyone in any context, let alone publicly about one of your drivers who is never publicly critical of anyone. Probably shouldn't be shocked about the comments given Marchionne's personality though.
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Infact I see Ricciardo as a probable dark horse for the title but can't feel the same for Kimi.

Had Verstappen's luck not been so dreadful, Red Bull would've been much closer to Ferrari in the WCC standings.
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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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Ferrari is going to lose the WCC because Kimi, so yes, is time to replace him. They should have done it a long time ago but Ferrari is always so safe with their drivers, they shoot themselves on the foot just for the sake or making Vettel happy.

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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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kimi does always seem to get the raw end when it comes to pit stops

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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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slide wrote:kimi does always seem to get the raw end when it comes to pit stops
I'd agree in general, but I think this weekend he pretty much made his own bed. He just didn't have the pace to challenge those at the front, so Ferrari had nothing to gain by bringing him in and it made sense for them to use him as a wild card against Bottas (although him messing up the exit of Turn 3 put paid to that). He was never under threat from behind so why not try something different.

He should have been all over the gearbox of Ricciardo to try to take his place back or at least undercut him. Does anyone doubt Vettel wouldn't have been had he been in that situation?

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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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Kimi was a good talent, but it seems he never applied himself 100% or for whatever reason he never managed to extract all his potential.

It has been clear since he rejoined Ferrari that he is not the Kimi of old.

He had a good run, he made lots of money and has many fans.

Time to bow out gracefully and let someone younger to have a crack.

IMHO.

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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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lamo wrote:
Prema wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Zoue wrote: they left him out after it was clear that he didn't have the pace to match the front runners. He only has himself to blame for this one
They left him out initially after working out that Hamilton was going to be ahead if they pitted him the lap after or not. Once that ship sailed, they left him out until Bottas overtook him, presumably in the hope that he would be able to hold Bottas back for a bit while Vettel attempted to get the hammer down. No evil tricks, no dastardly insinuations, the right thing to do imo. Didn't work and when Bottas cleared him they brought him in. That said, it almost certainly cost Kimi a whole heap of time.
Kimi's problem at that moment was two-fold: 1. had no pace to keep up with the top 3 runners, 2. He was on the US but Ham was quicker than him on SS.
There was nothing they could had done to keep his safe from Ham. And Merc pitted Ham first since they knew that Kimi was a sitting duck there, no need to waste time and wait for overcut.
They could have pitted him before Hamilton, his new SS would be quicker than Hamilton on 25-30 lap old SS. However, it would have meant Hamilton on new US vs Kimi on older SS later. But it still would have given him a chance. What they did gave him no chance of beating Hamilton.
I think Ferrari would have been surprised that Hamilton went to the US so early in the race. I think he had around 40 laps to go and Pirelli said the US tyres were good for 30 laps.
Merc blew Ham's chance at a podium pitting that early. Had Ham stayed out another 10 or more laps, even if Kimi had track position he could have sailed past him and probably would have got the jump on Ricciardo as well to get 3rd.

On Kimi, i think he is one of the most temperamental drivers on the grid. If everything isn't right, his motivation drops, and then he can look average at best.
However how many times this year has Ferrari thrown him under a bus with the strategy in the hope that he can benefit Vettel?

I think he still has a lot to offer F1. Maybe just not at Ferrari.
A Gro/Kimi swap would be very interesting. I think the environment at HAAS would suit him much better than Ferrari!
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Re: Has Kimi had his time?

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The pace shown by Kimi yesterday was embarrassing. Anyone who believes Ferrari cost him podium are delusional.
He never had pace to keep Hamilton behind. He never showed pace to keep Daniel behind either. The car is not that bad.

After it was clear Kimi is not going to do anything else, Ferrari kept him out in a hope that he might be able to fight back on much fresher rubber towards the end.

He didnt. Its painful to watch to be honest. As someone who has seen kimi from his first race till his latest one, the image of speed demon pushing the car to the brink of destruction and beyond is quickly getting erased. Such a shame. IMHO he himself needs to either find the spark within himself to compete at top or retire. Its painful to watch him perform like this in a Ferrari.

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