Force India Incident
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:35 pm
It cost the team dearly, even a win was on the cards. So, who was at fault? And what will it do to the team atmosphere?
Except that Ocon left even less space to Perez than what Bottas left to Kimi.j man wrote:Ocon's fault. It was rather similar to the Bottas / Raikkonen incident on the first lap.
Cost the team a 1-2 I believe.
Indeed. Ocon continued to push him into the wall after the corner and resulted in a second contact. It was a bit amateurish and not the way to race against your team mate. He's still learning though, it's all good experience for him.nixxxon wrote:Except that Ocon left even less space to Perez than what Bottas left to Kimi.j man wrote:Ocon's fault. It was rather similar to the Bottas / Raikkonen incident on the first lap.
Cost the team a 1-2 I believe.
I actually feel more sorry for Massa. He had one of the best starts of any driver. Was ahead of Ocon at the restart. The 2 Force Indias both made a slightly stupid move. Perez to start with but Ocon had no excuse for what he did next. At the next restart, Massa nearly takes 2nd.Then the Red flag came. After that, it all went wrong for him. His pace was better than Stroll's until he had his issue and since he was ahead at every restart other than when he had the problem, I think he could have been more than 5 seconds ahead of Stroll and beaten Ricciardo to the win. It will have been amazing if he won. He certainly lost the strong opportunity of this. I think he had better pace than both of the Force India drivers if I'm honest.UnlikeUday wrote:Was really gutted by this incident as there was a potential for a 1-2 on the podium.
It looks like a racing incident but they need to be careful otherwise their 4th place in the WCC will be under threat.
I wonder if driver hierarchy could sort out things?
I doubt Ricciardo was pushing; his gap to Stroll was a nearly constant 5 seconds, but I think if he'd had a quicker driver behind he'd have driven faster. I don't think a Williams could have won the race, although I certainly agree Massa would have kept second.TheGiantHogweed wrote:His pace was better than Stroll's until he had his issue and since he was ahead at every restart other than when he had the problem, I think he could have been more than 5 seconds ahead of Stroll and beaten Ricciardo to the win.
I thought so too. If Perez hadn't been so selfish in Canada, Ocon might have shown him the respect to not close him off completely at the next earliest opportunity. I anticipated there would be repercussions from that event, just didn't expect it to be the loss of a potential 1-2 at the very next race.GingerFurball wrote:It's karma for Perez. I don't have any sympathy for him.
Even if Ocon wanted some sweet revenge, this was the worst race to do so as this was a golden chance for them finishing on the podium together.CAR1 wrote:I thought so too. If Perez hadn't been so selfish in Canada, Ocon might have shown him the respect to not close him off completely at the next earliest opportunity. I anticipated there would be repercussions from that event, just didn't expect it to be the loss of a potential 1-2 at the very next race.GingerFurball wrote:It's karma for Perez. I don't have any sympathy for him.
In fact, you might even say karma was the theme of this race. VET cost himself a win with his red mist moment. HAM's headrest problem you could argue too, if indeed he had any ill intent before the restart.
I think it's just costing them trophies. I'd say they're safe enough in 4th placeUnlikeUday wrote:Even if Ocon wanted some sweet revenge, this was the worst race to do so as this was a golden chance for them finishing on the podium together.CAR1 wrote:I thought so too. If Perez hadn't been so selfish in Canada, Ocon might have shown him the respect to not close him off completely at the next earliest opportunity. I anticipated there would be repercussions from that event, just didn't expect it to be the loss of a potential 1-2 at the very next race.GingerFurball wrote:It's karma for Perez. I don't have any sympathy for him.
In fact, you might even say karma was the theme of this race. VET cost himself a win with his red mist moment. HAM's headrest problem you could argue too, if indeed he had any ill intent before the restart.
I wouldn't mind team orders come into play as this will cost the team dearly.
agreed, massa was looking good all race long. A win was definately up for grabs for him after ocon & perez collided.TheGiantHogweed wrote:I actually feel more sorry for Massa. He had one of the best starts of any driver. Was ahead of Ocon at the restart. The 2 Force Indias both made a slightly stupid move. Perez to start with but Ocon had no excuse for what he did next. At the next restart, Massa nearly takes 2nd.Then the Red flag came. After that, it all went wrong for him. His pace was better than Stroll's until he had his issue and since he was ahead at every restart other than when he had the problem, I think he could have been more than 5 seconds ahead of Stroll and beaten Ricciardo to the win. It will have been amazing if he won. He certainly lost the strong opportunity of this. I think he had better pace than both of the Force India drivers if I'm honest.UnlikeUday wrote:Was really gutted by this incident as there was a potential for a 1-2 on the podium.
It looks like a racing incident but they need to be careful otherwise their 4th place in the WCC will be under threat.
I wonder if driver hierarchy could sort out things?
It's a bad coincidence that this was a street circuit where there was no breathing space.wolfticket wrote:While you could maybe apportion blame from a team point of view, I think from a rules point of view it was a racing incident. While Ocon possibly could and maybe should have given Perez more room for both drivers and the the team's longer term benefit but I don't seem him changing line to actively squeeze him on the exit, and he is ahead by that point anyway.
As much as it isn't really relevant, and maybe Ocon looks bad posting it because it make the move after look like payback, Perez's jink on the straight is indeed probably worse.
True. I am very sad for Massa. Surely one of the drivers with worst luck.Mayhem wrote:agreed, massa was looking good all race long. A win was definately up for grabs for him after ocon & perez collided.TheGiantHogweed wrote:I actually feel more sorry for Massa. He had one of the best starts of any driver. Was ahead of Ocon at the restart. The 2 Force Indias both made a slightly stupid move. Perez to start with but Ocon had no excuse for what he did next. At the next restart, Massa nearly takes 2nd.Then the Red flag came. After that, it all went wrong for him. His pace was better than Stroll's until he had his issue and since he was ahead at every restart other than when he had the problem, I think he could have been more than 5 seconds ahead of Stroll and beaten Ricciardo to the win. It will have been amazing if he won. He certainly lost the strong opportunity of this. I think he had better pace than both of the Force India drivers if I'm honest.UnlikeUday wrote:Was really gutted by this incident as there was a potential for a 1-2 on the podium.
It looks like a racing incident but they need to be careful otherwise their 4th place in the WCC will be under threat.
I wonder if driver hierarchy could sort out things?