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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Can't quite believe people are defending Vettel here...
I'm a huge Vettel fan, and while I don't believe he wanted to hit Hamilton and risk spoiling his own car too, he did lose control of his car in rage, and hence deserves punishment. But so does Hamilton.
What? It's Vettel's job to keep distance from the car in front in the range where he is able to stop. The tempo is always given by the leader and if you can't drive your car in a distance where you can stop it's your problem, what exactly did LH do that deserves penalty?
OTH...going aside to rage road on a car in F1 should be DQ on the moment.

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UnlikeUday wrote:Perez rejoining the race. Revenge time against Ocon!
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Hopefully some more fireworks between Vettel and Hamilton on the restart!

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Lt. Drebin wrote:Ok they showed now, Hamilton shortly braked on the exit of the curve, and than did not engage power.
Lauda also said that, but added that Ham had "right" to do it.

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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Can't quite believe people are defending Vettel here...
I'm a huge Vettel fan, and while I don't believe he wanted to hit Hamilton and risk spoiling his own car too, he did lose control of his car in rage, and hence deserves punishment. But so does Hamilton.
Why does Hamilton deserve to be punished?
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Hamilton does have a history of unusual behaviour behind the safety car going all the way back to when Vettel and Webber ("It's kids, isn't it!? Kids who haven't got enough experience to do a good job and they f**kit all up") collided when following him in the rain (I can't remember if Japan or China?)

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zaar wrote:
SDLRob wrote:Seb has to be DQ'd for that... that's not just stupid, that's dangerous as hell...
Dangerous as hell at this speed? Really?
I'm not even convinced he did it on purpose, even if it looks like that. He might have lost it while raging and waving ...
Yeah right :lol:
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Aspar wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Can't quite believe people are defending Vettel here...
I'm a huge Vettel fan, and while I don't believe he wanted to hit Hamilton and risk spoiling his own car too, he did lose control of his car in rage, and hence deserves punishment. But so does Hamilton.
What? It's Vettel's job to keep distance from the car in front in the range where he is able to stop. The tempo is always given by the leader and if you can't drive your car in a distance where you can stop it's your problem, what exactly did LH do that deserves penalty?
OTH...going aside to rage road on a car in F1 should be DQ on the moment.
You are 100% right and it's my hope that Charlie also comes to this conclusion and retires Vettel. Behavior like that MUST be stopped.

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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Hamilton brake-tested him. Penalty.

Vettel bangs into him. Penalty.

I want Vettel to win, but I won't believe this if both of them aren't penalised. You can't just stop giving penalties, the stewards are becoming bonkers. No message even saying the incident is noted?!
Hamilton didn't brake
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Surely the fact that Vettel is still angrily gesticulating after he hits Hamilton shows that it was deliberate? You wouldn't do that if you hit the car by mistake would you? You'd be apologetic.

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Kravitz will have a genuine on air meltdown if they don't give VETTEL a penalty... Can't wait to see it
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Ah commentators just said they won't form the grid up for the restart until next year... I thought that was this year?
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Aspar wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Can't quite believe people are defending Vettel here...
I'm a huge Vettel fan, and while I don't believe he wanted to hit Hamilton and risk spoiling his own car too, he did lose control of his car in rage, and hence deserves punishment. But so does Hamilton.
What? It's Vettel's job to keep distance from the car in front in the range where he is able to stop. The tempo is always given by the leader and if you can't drive your car in a distance where you can stop it's your problem, what exactly did LH do that deserves penalty?
OTH...going aside to rage road on a car in F1 should be DQ on the moment.
The only precedent of this I remember is 2011 qualifying, Belgium. Maldonado purposely banged into the side of Hamilton, and was given a minor warning, I think. And Hamilton had no fault that day, while today at least he's investigated. Based on that Vettel will not be punished.

Which I don't agree with.

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English media are desperate for Vettel penalty :D :D :D

this is gonna be fun to watch from both sides.
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KIMI'S BACK!!!!!
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lvlarc wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Be interesting to know if Hamilton did brake or just didn't accelerate. Either way I doubt Hamilton was trying to deliberately damage Vettel. Hamilton has to leave space for the safety car on the in lap.
so what if he did brake? it was through a corner and they are all braking every 5 seconds behind SC anyway to get temperature into tyres lol...it's on Vettel to maintain a gap between himself and Hamilton. Vettel to blame for collision 100%
Exactly. Ham is allowed to brake whenever he wants, he dictates the pace while Vettel has to conform to it.

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Vettel had his hands off the steering wheel when he swiped Hamilton. I don't see it being intentional hit, still stupid though.
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Fantastic work to get Kimi and Perez back out! :)

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kleefton wrote:
Tassadar wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:
Tassadar wrote:Hamilton also brake checked him.
Hamilton lifted after the apex and caught Vettel out. No way is that Lewis' fault, the lead car decides the pace whether thats 5 mph or 50 mph.

First time I saw it, Hamilton looked at fault but on second viewing...
Horrible place to lift off, anyone with any common sense driving should know that. That's a very thin corner, with not much room to move around, so stupid thing to do by Hamilton. Vettel's reaction was much worse though.
BS, the car in front controls the pace. Car behind must respect the car in front at all times, especially at a restart.
So by that logic, the car in front can brake check and drive however he wants? That's B.S.

I don't know if Hamilton will get penalty, but he needs to be talked to about coasting through thin corners like that with a car right behind you.

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pokerman wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Hamilton brake-tested him. Penalty.

Vettel bangs into him. Penalty.

I want Vettel to win, but I won't believe this if both of them aren't penalised. You can't just stop giving penalties, the stewards are becoming bonkers. No message even saying the incident is noted?!
Hamilton didn't brake
Even if Hamilton did brake it doesn't mean he brae tested. He ahd to make a gap to the safety car. If he did brake it wasn't bright but hardly on the level of what Vettel did.

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The most exciting race in the last 3 seasons!
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pokerman wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Hamilton brake-tested him. Penalty.

Vettel bangs into him. Penalty.

I want Vettel to win, but I won't believe this if both of them aren't penalised. You can't just stop giving penalties, the stewards are becoming bonkers. No message even saying the incident is noted?!
Hamilton didn't brake
He did.

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pokerman wrote:
minchy wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:This is not a F1 track
I think you'll find it is...
Ok I'll rephrase it, it's not fit to be a F1 track
Why not? I personally think its a really good track and unless you want more car parks like Paul Ricard, we need more tracks like this.
The race is a farce
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Has this got to be a safety car restart and not a standing grid start?

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F1Tyrant wrote:Vettel had his hands off the steering wheel when he swiped Hamilton. I don't see it being intentional hit, still stupid though.
He had one off the wheel certainly, we can't see his right hand on the camera angle though.

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Prema wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:Ok they showed now, Hamilton shortly braked on the exit of the curve, and than did not engage power.
Lauda also said that, but added that Ham had "right" to do it.
I hugely resepct Lauda, but I must dismiss this as he is from the same team.

The point is that Hamilton did it in such place, where there is no gap/place to avoid him.
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Does my memory fail, or is it the very first time I remember drivers rejoining a race after retiring from it??? Wtf

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Andy Martin wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:This is not a F1 track
I think you'll find it is...
Ok I'll rephrase it, it's not fit to be a F1 track
I like it, personally. Why do you think it's not fit?
Because the race is a farce
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I'm surprised they are letting Vettel take this restart TBH.

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flyboy10 wrote:Hamilton does have a history of unusual behaviour behind the safety car going all the way back to when Vettel and Webber ("It's kids, isn't it!? Kids who haven't got enough experience to do a good job and they f**kit all up") collided when following him in the rain (I can't remember if Japan or China?)
Yes that was in Japan. He was braking very erratically that day but he was much less experienced then to be fair.

I don't think what he's done today is comparable. I'm not sure he even hit the brakes at all, just didn't accelerate.

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F1Tyrant wrote:Vettel had his hands off the steering wheel when he swiped Hamilton. I don't see it being intentional hit, still stupid though.
I unfortunately think both drivers will just be given reprimands.

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It was Vettel's fault. He was behind Hamilton.
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How many laps is Kimi behind now? Or is it assumed he's bck to one lap behind? If so he's got more fuel to use surely?
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Akai wrote:English media are desperate for Vettel penalty :D :D :D
Can't saying have heard anything like that onC4 at least

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Perez rejoining the race. Revenge time against Ocon!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm afraid you might be right. If anyone has a tapped into his internal reservoir of red mist it's Perez.

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nixxxon wrote:Does my memory fail, or is it the very first time I remember drivers rejoining a race after retiring from it??? Wtf
I don't remember the last time I've seen that as well!

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Did Seb technically overtake under the SC? He was definitely ahead after he side swiped Lewis.

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pokerman wrote:
Andy Martin wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:This is not a F1 track
I think you'll find it is...
Ok I'll rephrase it, it's not fit to be a F1 track
I like it, personally. Why do you think it's not fit?
Because the race is a farce
I think it's great! Just because something is hard doesn't make it a "farce".

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Ocon wrote:
lvlarc wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Be interesting to know if Hamilton did brake or just didn't accelerate. Either way I doubt Hamilton was trying to deliberately damage Vettel. Hamilton has to leave space for the safety car on the in lap.
so what if he did brake? it was through a corner and they are all braking every 5 seconds behind SC anyway to get temperature into tyres lol...it's on Vettel to maintain a gap between himself and Hamilton. Vettel to blame for collision 100%
Exactly. Ham is allowed to brake whenever he wants, he dictates the pace while Vettel has to conform to it.
This is simply wrong.

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