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nixxxon wrote:

mds wrote:

nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.

There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".

F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
Another thing is that nowadays has became more global.
I just want its roots and foundations to remain european.
Like european football, I dont want arab sheikhs or other foreign billionaires to buy any more teams.
Its my opinion, respect it.

Respect is earned, not demanded.

On that note, Hitler's opinion was that the Jews were better off to the concentration camps. You ok with his opinion? Would you demand respect for him?

dompclarke wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

dompclarke wrote:Just a thought on this, you say about Yamaha not having its own team being different, so would a Chinese PU be ok as long as it's stuck in a European teams car?
Not trying to have a go, genuinely interested where your line in the sand is...

If the Chinese engine is ok if they prove to be competitive and build a history would them having a full works team then be ok?

Yes it will be ok, too bad that wont happen

So European isn't necessarily the requirement, just building a history in Motorsports before entering F1?

Yes, mostly
Chinese dont have any history in motorsports, all they can do is buy.

nixxxon wrote:

dompclarke wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

dompclarke wrote:Just a thought on this, you say about Yamaha not having its own team being different, so would a Chinese PU be ok as long as it's stuck in a European teams car?
Not trying to have a go, genuinely interested where your line in the sand is...

If the Chinese engine is ok if they prove to be competitive and build a history would them having a full works team then be ok?

Yes it will be ok, too bad that wont happen

So European isn't necessarily the requirement, just building a history in Motorsports before entering F1?

Yes, mostly
Chinese dont have any history in motorsports, all they can do is buy.

The Macau Grand Prix has been running since the 50's - does only Formula 1 motorsport count?

Siao7 wrote:Respect is earned, not demanded.

On that note, Hitler's opinion was that the Jews were better off to the concentration camps. You ok with his opinion? Would you demand respect for him?

Okay, using this logic, I can also not respect you and criticise you for bringing up that ridiculous hitler example therefore this doesnt even deserve a response

Herb wrote:The Macau Grand Prix has been running since the 50's - does only Formula 1 motorsport count?

As far as I know, Macau was a portuguese territory up to the late 90s

nixxxon wrote:You dont know anything about me, dont try to get too smart. I'm not from the UK and pretty sure no BMW-powered bomber killed any of my relatives.
BMW would not be to blame anyway as they were pretty much forced to build stuff for Hitler as any other country that Hitler needed.

Still hoping you answer my question:

A.J. wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

A.J. wrote:What are your thoughts on the money looted by the Europeans over the centuries due to colonization? The fact that many countries continue to be poor to this day primarily because they were governed by and for the benefit of Europeans?

You mean colonization in africa? If they are poor its their own fault, nothing else, dont let others tell otherwise.

Yeah, of course the benevolent white man tried to modernize the savages, but it totally is their fault that they are so poor still

And how do you explain India, the country all Europeans were racing to reach first? Richest country in the world, estimated to account for over a quarter of the world's GDP when the British landed on its shores...down to less than 4% when the British were finally forced to leave (and today, home to the highest number of poor people in the world). I'm sure that is also totally their own fault...

Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.

nixxxon wrote:

Siao7 wrote:Respect is earned, not demanded.

On that note, Hitler's opinion was that the Jews were better off to the concentration camps. You ok with his opinion? Would you demand respect for him?

Okay, using this logic, I can also not respect you and criticise you for bringing up that ridiculous hitler example therefore this doesnt even deserve a response

Difference is that I didn't demand your respect. And it is not that I don't respect YOU, it's that I don't agree with/respect your opinion. You still can't grasp that, can you?

nixxxon wrote: As far as I know, Macau was a portuguese territory up to the late 90s

Does that matter? It's just an example - the people living there are the same. Macau may only be a chinese territory or whatever you describe it as, but to say the country/area doesn't have racing history is false.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond. You've already pretty much admitted your real problem is with China itself. There's a word to describe that attitude - but I'll refrain.

Herb wrote:

nixxxon wrote: As far as I know, Macau was a portuguese territory up to the late 90s

Does that matter? It's just an example - the people living there are the same. Macau may only be a chinese territory or whatever you describe it as, but to say the country/area doesn't have racing history is false.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond. You've already pretty much admitted your real problem is with China itself. There's a word to describe that attitude - but I'll refrain.

Correction - his problem is with non-Europeans. Too bad Le Pen or Petry aren't around to take care of it.

A.J. wrote:Still hoping you answer my question:

Im not an expert about india history but I'm pretty sure blaming it all on colonization is nonsense.
Perhaps being richer in ancient times compared to the rest of the world is more due to the fact that other countries developed far more than india?
I dont think the british make the people of india use the streets as toilets.

Anyway please stop derailing the thread.

nixxxon wrote:

A.J. wrote:Still hoping you answer my question:

Im not an expert about india history but I'm pretty sure blaming it all on colonization is nonsense.
Perhaps being richer in ancient times compared to the rest of the world is more due to the fact that other countries developed far more than india?
I dont think the british make the people of india use the streets as toilets.

Anyway please stop derailing the thread.

how old are you man ?

nixxxon wrote:

A.J. wrote:Still hoping you answer my question:

Im not an expert about india history but I'm pretty sure blaming it all on colonization is nonsense.
Perhaps being richer in ancient times compared to the rest of the world is more due to the fact that other countries developed far more than india?
I dont think the british make the people of india use the streets as toilets.

Anyway please stop derailing the thread.

You're so ignorant, it isn't even funny anymore - do yourself (and everyone around you) a favour and educate yourself while you still have a chance.

As far as the thread is concerned, I'm yet to see a single relevant post from you other than thinly-veiled xenophobic remarks, so please stop telling others to not derail the thread.

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mds wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

A.J. wrote:You're so ignorant, it isn't even funny anymore - do yourself (and everyone around you) a favour and educate yourself while you still have a chance.

As far as the thread is concerned, I'm yet to see a single relevant post from you other than thinly-veiled xenophobic remarks, so please stop telling others to not derail the thread.

Great ad hominem, zero arguments from you.
Are you indian by any chance?

Please stop derailing the thread.

The ones derailing it are the people that keep on quoting me asking about india and africa

Guys, we don't want anyone going off in a huff, let it go. This is a F1 board. I know its not my argument, that's why I interfered.

i bet Kimi is on the top of their driver lineup

I don't like the Queen. I also don't get The Beatles at all.

Ennis wrote:I don't like the Queen. I also don't get The Beatles at all.

How dare you. You're talking about a national treasure that has brought joy to millions of people, I agree the old lady can swivel though

Jordan alluding to them buying Mercedes..

More teams who can actually afford to race is good for the sport, they don't stand a chance if they plan to do it from China though.

This thread illustrates the problem of a national government entering the world of professional sports. We now have political and even historical arguments taking place in an F1 forum...

Godwin's law and all that.

Im reading elsehwhere that this is a company that his been established with a view to buying out one of the existing teams, EJ went pretty big on C4 yesterday saying that it was Mercedes that is getting bought out at the end of 2018 as Petronas and UBS are pulling out of the sport..... Toto rubbished the whole idea in pretty strong terms but there would have had to be something in it for C4 to let Eddie cook up a piece like that and present it as fact the way he did.

Theres a chap over on the Autosport forums who sort of seems to have a friend on the inside who was saying the Chinese are looking to invest/start up a team too, even before China F1 Racing Team Ltd came to light, although he is getting a right old bashing over there from most folk. Certainly seems to be a fair bit of smoke for there not to be a fire though.

sandman1347 wrote:This thread illustrates the problem of a national government entering the world of professional sports. We now have political and even historical arguments taking place in an F1 forum...

Is it anything new? I'm pretty sure Renault are at least part government owned?

I'd love to see a UK F1 racing team.

Team joins F1. UK media immediately begin to complain about the regulations in F1, and publish Chase's expenses. Inside the team there are a few people who don't think the UK should have an F1 team at all. In a bid to quench this, the team principle announces he'll let all employees vote on whether to remain in F1. Bizarrely, the employees vote to leave F1 thus rendering themselves unemployed and proving that turkeys do sometimes vote for Christmas.

Flash2k11 wrote:Godwin's law and all that.

Im reading elsehwhere that this is a company that his been established with a view to buying out one of the existing teams, EJ went pretty big on C4 yesterday saying that it was Mercedes that is getting bought out at the end of 2018 as Petronas and UBS are pulling out of the sport..... Toto rubbished the whole idea in pretty strong terms but there would have had to be something in it for C4 to let Eddie cook up a piece like that and present it as fact the way he did.

Theres a chap over on the Autosport forums who sort of seems to have a friend on the inside who was saying the Chinese are looking to invest/start up a team too, even before China F1 Racing Team Ltd came to light, although he is getting a right old bashing over there from most folk. Certainly seems to be a fair bit of smoke for there not to be a fire though.

Got to wonder why anyone in the sport tells Eddie Jordan anything given his propensity to blab about highly top secret stuff to the media.

Ennis wrote:I'd love to see a UK F1 racing team.

Team joins F1. UK media immediately begin to complain about the regulations in F1, and publish Chase's expenses. Inside the team there are a few people who don't think the UK should have an F1 team at all. In a bid to quench this, the team principle announces he'll let all employees vote on whether to remain in F1. Bizarrely, the employees vote to leave F1 thus rendering themselves unemployed and proving that turkeys do sometimes vote for Christmas.

That's a rather one-sided view of a highly complex matter.

Anyway this probably belongs in the Off Topic section...

lamo wrote:

A.J. wrote:
Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.

I've never seen the entire forum turn on one poster so unanimously and relentlessly, good work everybody

I have, once. And this is every bit as impressive. You'll be pleased to know that you're now quoting an account that won't be replying though, so I'd advise we leave him be and carry on with the actual topic.

P-F1 Mod wrote:

lamo wrote:

A.J. wrote:
Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.

I've never seen the entire forum turn on one poster so unanimously and relentlessly, good work everybody

I have, once. And this is every bit as impressive. You'll be pleased to know that you're now quoting an account that won't be replying though, so I'd advise we leave him be and carry on with the actual topic.

He was quoting me in this particular instance - is there something I should know?

Flash2k11 wrote:Godwin's law and all that.

Im reading elsehwhere that this is a company that his been established with a view to buying out one of the existing teams, EJ went pretty big on C4 yesterday saying that it was Mercedes that is getting bought out at the end of 2018 as Petronas and UBS are pulling out of the sport..... Toto rubbished the whole idea in pretty strong terms but there would have had to be something in it for C4 to let Eddie cook up a piece like that and present it as fact the way he did.

Theres a chap over on the Autosport forums who sort of seems to have a friend on the inside who was saying the Chinese are looking to invest/start up a team too, even before China F1 Racing Team Ltd came to light, although he is getting a right old bashing over there from most folk. Certainly seems to be a fair bit of smoke for there not to be a fire though.

Seems that rumor was also based on truth…

Now a 2nd Chinese team seems to be in the works as well and linked to Adrian Campos. Could be interesting.

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2282 ... -formula-1

Let's get this grid back up to 26 cars

Aaaaaaaaaa-MEN!!!!!!!!
28 even.

best thing about this 2nd team is the link with Campos because if all they are providing is the money and allow Adrian to run the operation, he's proven he's more than capable of running an outfit properly. The only issue is going to be the same one everyone faces… Will the car's design and drivetrain allow it to compete towards the front?, and if not, how far ahead from the back can they compete and finish?

Either way Campos in F1 sounds like a positive to me.

sandman1347 wrote:This thread illustrates the problem of a national government entering the world of professional sports. We now have political and even historical arguments taking place in an F1 forum...

Yup, no issue with Chinese or any other teams entering the sport, but they should not be backed by governments. There are far ranging ramifications of that and most of them not good for F1.

SmoothRide wrote:

sandman1347 wrote:This thread illustrates the problem of a national government entering the world of professional sports. We now have political and even historical arguments taking place in an F1 forum...

Yup, no issue with Chinese or any other teams entering the sport, but they should not be backed by governments. There are far ranging ramifications of that and most of them not good for F1.

What about Renault? Big stake owned by the French government... Could be argued the French government involved in the sport. A French administrated sport too.

mikeyg123 wrote:

SmoothRide wrote:

sandman1347 wrote:This thread illustrates the problem of a national government entering the world of professional sports. We now have political and even historical arguments taking place in an F1 forum...

Yup, no issue with Chinese or any other teams entering the sport, but they should not be backed by governments. There are far ranging ramifications of that and most of them not good for F1.

What about Renault? Big stake owned by the French government... Could be argued the French government involved in the sport. A French administrated sport too.

Not a big fan of that, but Renault is a huge car brand and manufacturer. The French government is not funding it because of F1 involvement.

I can't wait to see the size of the budget.

Part of me hopes it will be $1 billion purely because I'm curious what the other manufacturers will say about that.

IMHO, F1 management needs to block the entry if government is involved in funding and running the team. That is big no no. Specially if its coming from socialist government that is socialist on paper but acts more like capitalistic dictator.

This is why I was also not comfortable with Williams sponsorship with state agency. But that was absolute limit of what is ok in this sport IMHO.

If it is privately funded and owned, no problem. Call it whatever they want to call it including China F1.

But at no stage government should be owner of a Formula 1 team. I hope new F1 management handles this carefully.

funkymonkey wrote:IMHO, F1 management needs to block the entry if government is involved in funding and running the team. That is big no no. Specially if its coming from socialist government that is socialist on paper but acts more like capitalistic dictator.

This is why I was also not comfortable with Williams sponsorship with state agency. But that was absolute limit of what is ok in this sport IMHO.

If it is privately funded and owned, no problem. Call it whatever they want to call it including China F1.

But at no stage government should be owner of a Formula 1 team. I hope new F1 management handles this carefully.

IF, and its a big IF, this is government run then the people pulling it together will do their usual jiggery-pokery anyway.

Government funded can mean privately funded, with government money benefiting that private company elsewhere. It can mean privately funded, but with very friendly tax breaks. It can be privately owned, with Chinese private companies providing ridiculous levels of sponsorship and receiving tax breaks elsewhere. There are multiple ways they could indirectly fund this.

funkymonkey wrote:IMHO, F1 management needs to block the entry if government is involved in funding and running the team. That is big no no. Specially if its coming from socialist government that is socialist on paper but acts more like capitalistic dictator.

This is why I was also not comfortable with Williams sponsorship with state agency. But that was absolute limit of what is ok in this sport IMHO.

If it is privately funded and owned, no problem. Call it whatever they want to call it including China F1.

But at no stage government should be owner of a Formula 1 team. I hope new F1 management handles this carefully.

If F1 has been happy to race in Bahrain all these years they'll be happy to welcome our new Chinese overlords

mcdo wrote:

funkymonkey wrote:IMHO, F1 management needs to block the entry if government is involved in funding and running the team. That is big no no. Specially if its coming from socialist government that is socialist on paper but acts more like capitalistic dictator.

This is why I was also not comfortable with Williams sponsorship with state agency. But that was absolute limit of what is ok in this sport IMHO.

If it is privately funded and owned, no problem. Call it whatever they want to call it including China F1.

But at no stage government should be owner of a Formula 1 team. I hope new F1 management handles this carefully.

If F1 has been happy to race in Bahrain all these years they'll be happy to welcome our new Chinese overlords

We have been racing in China and Abu Dhabi as well.
Hosting an event and government being part of an active F1 team are different things.