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Herb Tarlik wrote:
nixxxon wrote:
A.J. wrote: :lol:

What are your thoughts on the money looted by the Europeans over the centuries due to colonization? The fact that many countries continue to be poor to this day primarily because they were governed by and for the benefit of Europeans?
You mean colonization in africa? If they are poor its their own fault, nothing else, dont let others tell otherwise.
Abject nonsense. Europeans drew the borders to the African "countries" with no regards to the tribal interests that existed at that time. The same thing happened in the middle east. European meddling in Africa created enormous problems that continue up to this day. Read about how the Belgians broke up the Rwandan people creating the Hutu/Tutsi division. See below to understand how it was Europeans that planted the seeds of the genocide that occurred.

"The Berlin Conference of 1884 assigned the territory to Germany[22] and began a policy of ruling through the Rwandan monarchy; this system had the added benefit of enabling colonization with small European troop numbers.[23] European colonists, convinced the Tutsi had migrated to Rwanda from Ethiopia, believed the Tutsi were more Caucasian than the Hutu and were therefore racially superior and better suited to carry out colonial administrative tasks.[24] King Yuhi V Musinga[25] welcomed the Germans, whom he used to strengthen his rule.[26] Belgian forces took control of Rwanda and Burundi during World War I, and the country was formally passed to Belgian control by a League of Nations mandate in 1919.[27]

The Belgians initially continued the German style of governing through the monarchy, but from 1926 began a policy of more direct colonial rule in line with the system used in the Belgian Congo.[28][29] They simplified the chieftaincy system, reducing its numbers and concentrating it in the hands of Tutsi,[30] extended the scale and scope of uburetwa,[30] and oversaw a land reform process by the Tutsi chiefs, in which grazing areas traditionally under the control of Hutu collectives were seized and privatised, with minimal compensation.[31] In the 1930s, the Belgians introduced large-scale projects in education, health, public works, and agricultural supervision.[32] The country was thus modernised but Tutsi supremacy remained, leaving the Hutu disenfranchised and subject to large scale forced labour.[33] In 1935, Belgium introduced identity cards labelling each individual as Tutsi, Hutu, Twa or Naturalised. While it had previously been possible for particularly wealthy Hutu to become honorary Tutsi, the identity cards prevented any further movement between classes.[34]"


nixxxon wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:This view is not compatible with a free society.
It is full compatible with a free society, you are mixing up things. I have the freedom to defend euro interests.
Yes, and others are free to take away things from Europe if they bid higher. You are in the minority so you lose out in this case.
1- Dont blame all African problems on colonisation because its nonsense. Europe has brought bad things to them but also an enormous amount of good things. All the technology they have its mostly thanks to us. Nowadays, in the 21st century, If they arent able to develop like other countries, its their own fault, not colonization fault anymore.

But please, dont derail more this thread, dont talk about africa, this thread is about china F1 team.

2- They dont take away.... more like the others (euro teams) sell. What I want is them not selling.
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dompclarke wrote:Should we ditch everything not European?
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I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.

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nixxxon wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
nixxxon wrote:
A.J. wrote: :lol:

What are your thoughts on the money looted by the Europeans over the centuries due to colonization? The fact that many countries continue to be poor to this day primarily because they were governed by and for the benefit of Europeans?
You mean colonization in africa? If they are poor its their own fault, nothing else, dont let others tell otherwise.
Abject nonsense. Europeans drew the borders to the African "countries" with no regards to the tribal interests that existed at that time. The same thing happened in the middle east. European meddling in Africa created enormous problems that continue up to this day. Read about how the Belgians broke up the Rwandan people creating the Hutu/Tutsi division. See below to understand how it was Europeans that planted the seeds of the genocide that occurred.

"The Berlin Conference of 1884 assigned the territory to Germany[22] and began a policy of ruling through the Rwandan monarchy; this system had the added benefit of enabling colonization with small European troop numbers.[23] European colonists, convinced the Tutsi had migrated to Rwanda from Ethiopia, believed the Tutsi were more Caucasian than the Hutu and were therefore racially superior and better suited to carry out colonial administrative tasks.[24] King Yuhi V Musinga[25] welcomed the Germans, whom he used to strengthen his rule.[26] Belgian forces took control of Rwanda and Burundi during World War I, and the country was formally passed to Belgian control by a League of Nations mandate in 1919.[27]

The Belgians initially continued the German style of governing through the monarchy, but from 1926 began a policy of more direct colonial rule in line with the system used in the Belgian Congo.[28][29] They simplified the chieftaincy system, reducing its numbers and concentrating it in the hands of Tutsi,[30] extended the scale and scope of uburetwa,[30] and oversaw a land reform process by the Tutsi chiefs, in which grazing areas traditionally under the control of Hutu collectives were seized and privatised, with minimal compensation.[31] In the 1930s, the Belgians introduced large-scale projects in education, health, public works, and agricultural supervision.[32] The country was thus modernised but Tutsi supremacy remained, leaving the Hutu disenfranchised and subject to large scale forced labour.[33] In 1935, Belgium introduced identity cards labelling each individual as Tutsi, Hutu, Twa or Naturalised. While it had previously been possible for particularly wealthy Hutu to become honorary Tutsi, the identity cards prevented any further movement between classes.[34]"


nixxxon wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:This view is not compatible with a free society.
It is full compatible with a free society, you are mixing up things. I have the freedom to defend euro interests.
Yes, and others are free to take away things from Europe if they bid higher. You are in the minority so you lose out in this case.
1- Dont blame all African problems on colonisation because its nonsense. Europe has brought bad things to them but also an enormous amount of good things. All the technology they have we brought back to them. Now at this 21st century If they arent able to develop like other countries, its their own fault, not colonization fault anymore.

But please, dont derail more this thread, dont talk about africa, this thread is about china F1 team.

2- They dont take away.... more like the others (euro teams) sell. What I want is them not selling.
But why are they selling? Most of the time it's because they're failing financially. Would you rather they just go bankrupt and close the doors allowing the whole series to collapse?

Maybe you'd be happy with only 2 or 3 European teams that are ideally simpatico with your views on whether or not the way they spent money was buying titles. But I doubt many others would.

While we're at it maybe we should also change the names of the titles to the European Drivers Championship and European Constructors Championship.
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nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
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ALESI wrote:What engine is the Chinese team going to use? Honda?
Surely a Hongda as it will be a Chinese copy...

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mds wrote:
nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
Another thing is that nowadays has became more global.
I just want its roots and foundations to remain european.
Like european football, I dont want arab sheikhs or other foreign billionaires to buy any more teams.
Its my opinion, respect it.

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nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
What if all the teams were non-European? Would you stop watching F1?
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nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?

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dompclarke wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?
Ford and Yamaha never had any own team AFAIK
Honda are hopeless and should quit F1.
But yeah those 3 have racing history so its ok

What I dont want is a group of chinese investors with no history in motorsports join F1 as a pure business and try to buy success.

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nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
Also if you do not have a problem with none European drivers are you ok with none European engineers? If not then Chinese engineers in a European team are ok?

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MistaVega23 wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
What if all the teams were non-European? Would you stop watching F1?
That will never happen, Ferrari for example will never sell out.

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nixxxon wrote:
dompclarke wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?
Ford and Yamaha never had any own team AFAIK
Honda are hopeless and should quit F1.
But yeah those 3 have racing history so its ok

What I dont want is a group of chinese investors with no history in motorsports join F1 as a pure business and try to buy success.
Ford had Jaguar...

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nixxxon wrote:
mds wrote:
nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
Another thing is that nowadays has became more global.
I just want its roots and foundations to remain european.
Like european football, I dont want arab sheikhs or other foreign billionaires to buy any more teams.
Its my opinion, respect it.
I respect your right to have an opinion, I don't have to respect the opinion. Especially one that is built on misinformed prejudice.

F1 was failing with European ownership. Liberty has been a breath of fresh air. HAAS has been a welcome addition to the sport - showing that it is possible to compete starting from the ground up. The Chinese team may or may not make it, but IMO it's good to see a more global interest in the sport.


Edit to add: Another thing that popped into my mind. How long as the Macau GP been happening? Does that count for "motor sport heritage"?
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nixxxon wrote:
mds wrote:
nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
Another thing is that nowadays has became more global.
I just want its roots and foundations to remain european.
Like european football, I dont want arab sheikhs or other foreign billionaires to buy any more teams.
Its my opinion, respect it.
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nixxxon wrote:
dompclarke wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?
Ford and Yamaha never had any own team AFAIK
Honda are hopeless and should quit F1.
But yeah those 3 have racing history so its ok

What I dont want is a group of chinese investors with no history in motorsports join F1 as a pure business and try to buy success.
Sounds like the old "Can't get a job without experience, but need to get a job to gain experience" dilemma. Why do you think that anyone should have a history in motorsports in order to race in F1? What was your view on Hispania and Virgin when they came to the grid in 2010? Neither had a racing pedigree, but I suppose it was ok because they were European based and they weren't throwing around enough money to be considered to be "buying a championship."

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Herb wrote:I respect your right to have an opinion, I don't have to respect the opinion.
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I'm all for new teams, so if the Chinese government want to throw money at an average Chinese driver for their team, then lent them. They'll soon learn it takes more than money and either invest or quit.

Either way, it'll be fun watching them try.
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nixxxon wrote:
MistaVega23 wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
What if all the teams were non-European? Would you stop watching F1?
That will never happen, Ferrari for example will never sell out.
You didn't really answer my question....
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nixxxon wrote:
mds wrote:
nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
F1 has changed, like it or not.

The moment F1 branded itself as a world championship with the desire to expand globally, with tracks around the globe and drivers from around the globe, that moment is when this very reasoning of F1 as a European sport gradually lost its credibility.

... I think somewhere around 1950 or such.
Its my opinion, respect it.
Well, "it's a free world" (right?), and I choose not to respect nonsense, not even when someone uses imperative to try and make me.
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First Jackie Chan wins LMP2 at Lemans and nearly outright. now this. The Chinese are taking over motorsport.

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nixxxon wrote:
MistaVega23 wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
What if all the teams were non-European? Would you stop watching F1?
That will never happen, Ferrari for example will never sell out.
Sure.
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nixxxon wrote:
A.J. wrote: :lol:

What are your thoughts on the money looted by the Europeans over the centuries due to colonization? The fact that many countries continue to be poor to this day primarily because they were governed by and for the benefit of Europeans?
You mean colonization in africa? If they are poor its their own fault, nothing else, dont let others tell otherwise.
Yeah, of course the benevolent white man tried to modernize the savages, but it totally is their fault that they are so poor still :uhoh:

And how do you explain India, the country all Europeans were racing to reach first? Richest country in the world, estimated to account for over a quarter of the world's GDP when the British landed on its shores...down to less than 4% when the British were finally forced to leave (and today, home to the highest number of poor people in the world). I'm sure that is also totally their own fault...

Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.

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Hope this is true.

If they're not backed by a specific brand, they'll have the time & money to make a go of it if they decide to base out of China (although they may well base in Europe like the rest of 'em).

Any entry that has the potential and backing to genuinely challenge is a good guy in my books. Of course I'd much prefer the romance of Williams winning the WDC or similar, but realistically I'd rather have a bunch of China F1s than Saubers/Manors.

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nixxxon wrote:
dompclarke wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?
Ford and Yamaha never had any own team AFAIK
Honda are hopeless and should quit F1.
But yeah those 3 have racing history so its ok

What I dont want is a group of chinese investors with no history in motorsports join F1 as a pure business and try to buy success.
Just a thought on this, you say about Yamaha not having its own team being different, so would a Chinese PU be ok as long as it's stuck in a European teams car?
Not trying to have a go, genuinely interested where your line in the sand is...

If the Chinese engine is ok if they prove to be competitive and build a history would them having a full works team then be ok?

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Ennis wrote:Hope this is true.

If they're not backed by a specific brand, they'll have the time & money to make a go of it if they decide to base out of China (although they may well base in Europe like the rest of 'em).

Any entry that has the potential and backing to genuinely challenge is a good guy in my books. Of course I'd much prefer the romance of Williams winning the WDC or similar, but realistically I'd rather have a bunch of China F1s than Saubers/Manors.
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I say let them come. It's a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, so you have to expect people from all over the world to enter, otherwise stop calling it the World Championship. I'm slightly confused as to why China would want to do this, when they've just decided to stop wasting money on a Chinese GP...
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ALESI wrote:I say let them come. It's a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, so you have to expect people from all over the world to enter, otherwise stop calling it the World Championship. I'm slightly confused as to why China would want to do this, when they've just decided to stop wasting money on a Chinese GP...
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nixxxon wrote: I criticised also Red Bull for buying success.
Redbull didn't buy success Redbull built success!

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Don't really have a problem with it, not a huge fan of the idea of having a nationally owned team purely as I wouldn't want F1 to be "Team GB vs Team Spain" etc. I like that nationality in F1 counts for not much more than a flag shown and an anthem played when a driver wins.

That said I don't see the inclusion of a China racing team ever leading to that so why not I suppose, always nice to have more teams in the fight. I do hope they wouldn't be extremely nationalist and attempt to only hire Chinese drivers/technical staff though.

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nixxxon wrote:
dompclarke wrote:
nixxxon wrote:I did not include drivers on my "non-european" rant...

I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
No one is trying to force you to change anything, just questioning your opinions.
Back to your need of teams having history in F1 do you have problems with Honda being in F1 (if they fix the engine), or Yamaha coming back, how about Ford?
Ford and Yamaha never had any own team AFAIK
Honda are hopeless and should quit F1.
But yeah those 3 have racing history so its ok

What I dont want is a group of chinese investors with no history in motorsports join F1 as a pure business and try to buy success.
If you are so anti Chinese, wouldn't you prefer them to enter, spend billions and fail?

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A.J. wrote:
Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.
:lol:

I've never seen the entire forum turn on one poster so unanimously and relentlessly, good work everybody :thumbup:

Aren't you from the UK? I am surprised that if the past is so important to you - you sport the BMW logo on your profile. They built engines and planes for the Nazi's, bombers that killed thousands in the UK. Its almost certain that BMW designed and built a war machine that killed one of your distant relatives, whether that be a close relative or 5th, 6th cousin. That was only 1945, F1 started in 1950.

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mcdo wrote:
Ennis wrote:Hope this is true.

If they're not backed by a specific brand, they'll have the time & money to make a go of it if they decide to base out of China (although they may well base in Europe like the rest of 'em).

Any entry that has the potential and backing to genuinely challenge is a good guy in my books. Of course I'd much prefer the romance of Williams winning the WDC or similar, but realistically I'd rather have a bunch of China F1s than Saubers/Manors.
The minnows are essential in F1 IMO. They race for the love of racing as opposed to treating it as a marketing exercise
You dont think Ferrari and McLaren (well, from years past) love racing?

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lamo wrote:
A.J. wrote:
Get a grip man. Your opinions are as relevant to today's times as the horse-carriage is to self-driving cars.
:lol:

I've never seen the entire forum turn on one poster so unanimously and relentlessly, good work everybody :thumbup:

Aren't you from the UK? I am surprised that if the past is so important to you - you sport the BMW logo on your profile. They built engines and planes for the Nazi's, bombers that killed thousands in the UK. Its almost certain that BMW designed and built a war machine that killed one of your distant relatives, whether that be a close relative or 5th, 6th cousin. That was only 1945, F1 started in 1950.
I think the point he was making was don't cast stones when your own history is suspect...

edit: looking at the reference to BMW, it appears your post was directed at nixxxon, but it's confusing as you are saying "you" in response to A.J.'s post
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Herb wrote:I respect your right to have an opinion, I don't have to respect the opinion. Especially one that is built on misinformed prejudice.
Well put. :thumbup:

I don't have anything to add to that, really. I do not respect the opinion that China is a threat to the white man's supremacy, and I'm encouraged by how few people in this thread seem to.
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nixxxon wrote:
mds wrote:
nixxxon wrote: I was talking about the teams and F1 structure. We already have two non-euro teams and I dont want any more of them, thats my opinion, we live in a free society as someone said above, so let me post my opinion and thats it. Disagree if you want, thast all you can do, you will not force me to change it.
There's having an own opinion, and there's spouting abject nonsense like "F1 is a European sport".
F1 has always been european in its roots and foundations. Like it or not.
Another thing is that nowadays has became more global.
I just want its roots and foundations to remain european.
Like european football, I dont want arab sheikhs or other foreign billionaires to buy any more teams.
Its my opinion, respect it.
what is wrong with you man ? it's private enterprise, you as an "euro" supporter should be the first to support it. At the foundation of the "european" ideea, private enterprise is at the very top.

I;m european also, but i couldn't care less if chinese or sheiks own teams. I was the first to be dissapointed when Flavio, Max Mosley, Ron Dennis and now Bernie were all kicked out. What happend was that they all ate each other, instead of having each other backs. And guess what, when shaite hit the fan, there was no one to support Bernie. This is actually the way our beloved europe is right now.

All of us screaming EURO EURO, but just eating each other alive, blaming everything on migrants and others, but not looking at ourselves.

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dompclarke wrote:Just a thought on this, you say about Yamaha not having its own team being different, so would a Chinese PU be ok as long as it's stuck in a European teams car?
Not trying to have a go, genuinely interested where your line in the sand is...

If the Chinese engine is ok if they prove to be competitive and build a history would them having a full works team then be ok?
Yes it will be ok, too bad that wont happen
lamo wrote: :lol:

I've never seen the entire forum turn on one poster so unanimously and relentlessly, good work everybody :thumbup:

Aren't you from the UK? I am surprised that if the past is so important to you - you sport the BMW logo on your profile. They built engines and planes for the Nazi's, bombers that killed thousands in the UK. Its almost certain that BMW designed and built a war machine that killed one of your distant relatives, whether that be a close relative or 5th, 6th cousin. That was only 1945, F1 started in 1950.
"Ha ha, he got so bashed, well done everybody!!!"
What a childish attitude for someone who is surely not a child.

You dont know anything about me, dont try to get too smart. I'm not from the UK and pretty sure no BMW-powered bomber killed any of my relatives.
BMW would not be to blame anyway as they were pretty much forced to build stuff for Hitler as any other country that Hitler needed.

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
mcdo wrote:
Ennis wrote:Hope this is true.

If they're not backed by a specific brand, they'll have the time & money to make a go of it if they decide to base out of China (although they may well base in Europe like the rest of 'em).

Any entry that has the potential and backing to genuinely challenge is a good guy in my books. Of course I'd much prefer the romance of Williams winning the WDC or similar, but realistically I'd rather have a bunch of China F1s than Saubers/Manors.
The minnows are essential in F1 IMO. They race for the love of racing as opposed to treating it as a marketing exercise
You dont think Ferrari and McLaren (well, from years past) love racing?
Of course they do, you know I was referring to corporations that show up for 10 years then pack their bags and leave
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mcdo wrote:
Ennis wrote:Hope this is true.

If they're not backed by a specific brand, they'll have the time & money to make a go of it if they decide to base out of China (although they may well base in Europe like the rest of 'em).

Any entry that has the potential and backing to genuinely challenge is a good guy in my books. Of course I'd much prefer the romance of Williams winning the WDC or similar, but realistically I'd rather have a bunch of China F1s than Saubers/Manors.
The minnows are essential in F1 IMO. They race for the love of racing as opposed to treating it as a marketing exercise
I'm not particularly against the minnows, but they're generally easier to find.

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nixxxon wrote:
dompclarke wrote:Just a thought on this, you say about Yamaha not having its own team being different, so would a Chinese PU be ok as long as it's stuck in a European teams car?
Not trying to have a go, genuinely interested where your line in the sand is...

If the Chinese engine is ok if they prove to be competitive and build a history would them having a full works team then be ok?
Yes it will be ok, too bad that wont happen
So European isn't necessarily the requirement, just building a history in Motorsports before entering F1?

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