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mds wrote:Ferrari to keep Raikkonen for next year while bringing in Leclerc at another team, promoting him to Ferrari when Raikkonen leaves.

At least that's how I would do it. But for all the talent Leclerc possesses, everybody seems to forget about him.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

GingerFurball wrote:

mds wrote:Ferrari to keep Raikkonen for next year while bringing in Leclerc at another team, promoting him to Ferrari when Raikkonen leaves.

At least that's how I would do it. But for all the talent Leclerc possesses, everybody seems to forget about him.

Not the Ferrari way. Leclerc will need to prove himself elsewhere before he gets the Ferrari gig.

Colesy917 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I've read many rumours about that happening on several sites now, you certainly aren't the only seeing the pieces possibly fitting.

Covalent wrote:

Colesy917 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I've read many rumours about that happening on several sites now, you certainly aren't the only seeing the pieces possibly fitting.

Would Alonso do a mid-season swap to Renault? I'm certain he has a performance clause that would release him from McLaren if he wanted to..

mds wrote:

GingerFurball wrote:

mds wrote:Ferrari to keep Raikkonen for next year while bringing in Leclerc at another team, promoting him to Ferrari when Raikkonen leaves.

At least that's how I would do it. But for all the talent Leclerc possesses, everybody seems to forget about him.

Not the Ferrari way. Leclerc will need to prove himself elsewhere before he gets the Ferrari gig.

Not to be blunt, but did you actually read my post?

UnlikeUday wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Colesy917 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.
Except I read an article recently where Prost said Renault wouldn't be contending for wins for at least a couple of years, so m not convinced Alonso would want to exchange one development path for another
Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I've read many rumours about that happening on several sites now, you certainly aren't the only seeing the pieces possibly fitting.

Would Alonso do a mid-season swap to Renault? I'm certain he has a performance clause that would release him from McLaren if he wanted to..

If not mid season, then next season he's bound to go there.

GingerFurball wrote:

mds wrote:

GingerFurball wrote:

mds wrote:Ferrari to keep Raikkonen for next year while bringing in Leclerc at another team, promoting him to Ferrari when Raikkonen leaves.

At least that's how I would do it. But for all the talent Leclerc possesses, everybody seems to forget about him.

Not the Ferrari way. Leclerc will need to prove himself elsewhere before he gets the Ferrari gig.

Not to be blunt, but did you actually read my post?

Yes. Raikkonen won't be a Ferrari driver in 3 years.

Zoue wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Colesy917 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.
Except I read an article recently where Prost said Renault wouldn't be contending for wins for at least a couple of years, so m not convinced Alonso would want to exchange one development path for another
Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I've read many rumours about that happening on several sites now, you certainly aren't the only seeing the pieces possibly fitting.

Would Alonso do a mid-season swap to Renault? I'm certain he has a performance clause that would release him from McLaren if he wanted to..

If not mid season, then next season he's bound to go there.

Covalent wrote: Would Alonso do a mid-season swap to Renault? I'm certain he has a performance clause that would release him from McLaren if he wanted to..

DirtyMike wrote:Very intriguing re: PALMER. Any links to the sites??

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

DirtyMike wrote:Very intriguing re: PALMER. Any links to the sites??

First one I found: http://en.f1i.com/news/269112-monaco-pa ... nault.html

Ted Kravitz on Sky also mentioned the rumours going around the pit lane during one of his notebook episodes on the weekend.

minchy wrote:Can someone enlighten me about Button from the OP? Or is it just his McLaren contract he's in atm?

UnlikeUday wrote:

minchy wrote:Can someone enlighten me about Button from the OP? Or is it just his McLaren contract he's in atm?

What I meant was he has an option to return to racing at McLaren in 2018. I doubt if he'll return though.

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/f1-grand- ... on-9425644

GingerFurball wrote:

mds wrote:Ferrari to keep Raikkonen for next year while bringing in Leclerc at another team, promoting him to Ferrari when Raikkonen leaves.

At least that's how I would do it. But for all the talent Leclerc possesses, everybody seems to forget about him.

Not the Ferrari way. Leclerc will need to prove himself elsewhere before he gets the Ferrari gig.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

DirtyMike wrote:

Zoue wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Colesy917 wrote: Would Alonso do a mid-season swap to Renault? I'm certain he has a performance clause that would release him from McLaren if he wanted to..

If not mid season, then next season he's bound to go there.

Very intriguing re: PALMER. Any links to the sites??

Why would they not just put Sirotkin in the seat, instead of bringing in Maldonado to do half a season?

What's the bet McLaren turn it around as soon if ALONSO leaves

pokerman wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I think the most likely driver to replace him would be Sirotkin plus I believe he would bring some money as well.

mikeyg123 wrote:It strikes me with a number of drivers not expected to go beyond this year they maybe quite a few rookies next season.

I am also going to put something out there... Grosjean to Force India as Perez replacement.

UnlikeUday wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I think the most likely driver to replace him would be Sirotkin plus I believe he would bring some money as well.

Abiteboul has stated indirectly Palmer's seat is not secure:
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36555.html

Has Sirotkin shown signs that he'll be faster than Palmer?

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:Leclerc will almost certainly be brought into F1 by Ferrari if they can find a seat for him. With Sauber going to Honda you'd have to say Haas is looking the most likely. I get the feeling he may have to settle for a 3rd driver role like Vandoorne first though.

Just to bring it back to 2017 for a moment it was rumoured that Monaco would be Palmer's last race for Renault, assuming they do look to replace him for Canada who do we think they would be looking at? Call me crazy (I'm thinking it myself) but with Maldonado at the last 2 races in a row and his history with Enstone... is that possible? I feel like I'm going crazy but the pieces sort of fit.

In any case I doubt Palmer will be in the seat next year so do we think Sirotkin has a shot or will they maybe look to Rowland if he performs well this year?

I think the most likely driver to replace him would be Sirotkin plus I believe he would bring some money as well.

Abiteboul has stated indirectly Palmer's seat is not secure:
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36555.html

Has Sirotkin shown signs that he'll be faster than Palmer?

He was more impressive in GP2, whether that will translate to F1 and how long it would take him to get up to speed are the other things to consider. In terms of who has the most raw talent I'd put money Sirotkin.

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

MistaVega23 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

I don't want to see Alonso in a McHonda next year. It's a waste of a talent that doesn't have many years left.

Granted, a lot of people put the blame firmly at Alonso's door (me included) for his career decisions but how good would it be for the sport (and Liberty for that matter - after all they want bums on seats) if we had a proper title fight between Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Ricciardo and Verstappen?

MistaVega23 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

I don't want to see Alonso in a McHonda next year. It's a waste of a talent that doesn't have many years left.

Granted, a lot of people put the blame firmly at Alonso's door (me included) for his career decisions but how good would it be for the sport (and Liberty for that matter - after all they want bums on seats) if we had a proper title fight between Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Ricciardo and Verstappen?

Zoue wrote:

MistaVega23 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

I don't want to see Alonso in a McHonda next year. It's a waste of a talent that doesn't have many years left.

Granted, a lot of people put the blame firmly at Alonso's door (me included) for his career decisions but how good would it be for the sport (and Liberty for that matter - after all they want bums on seats) if we had a proper title fight between Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Ricciardo and Verstappen?

As good as it would be for the sport were McLaren to get back to the front, probably. Alonso fighting for the title in a McHonda would be F1's equivalent of rags to riches.

I read a report recently where Prost stated that Renault wouldn''t be winning anything for at least the next two years and that, as much as he would love to have Alonso in the team, . I can't see Alonso wanting to join another team in a development phase at this stage of his career. Which leaves Mercedes or Ferrari. And I just don't see either as a realistic possibility

Zoue wrote:

MistaVega23 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

I don't want to see Alonso in a McHonda next year. It's a waste of a talent that doesn't have many years left.

Granted, a lot of people put the blame firmly at Alonso's door (me included) for his career decisions but how good would it be for the sport (and Liberty for that matter - after all they want bums on seats) if we had a proper title fight between Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Ricciardo and Verstappen?

As good as it would be for the sport were McLaren to get back to the front, probably. Alonso fighting for the title in a McHonda would be F1's equivalent of rags to riches.

I read a report recently where Prost stated that Renault wouldn''t be winning anything for at least the next two years and that, as much as he would love to have Alonso in the team, . I can't see Alonso wanting to join another team in a development phase at this stage of his career. Which leaves Mercedes or Ferrari. And I just don't see either as a realistic possibility

F1 MERCENARY wrote: I think Fernando will leave McLaren at the end of the season for sure, BUT I wouldn't be at all surprised if he parts ways with the team mid way through the season.
No sense in going around doing laps without even a shot in the dark of accomplishing much of anything. He already knows every circuit like the back of his hand so he's not gaining anything by being out there. The entire organization simply isn't up to par ATM and it's anyone's guess if and when they will turn it around, and with rumors flying about regarding a discontent and disconnect between McLaren and Honda, the whole thing is very up in the air for any driver of Alonso's pedigree to want to stick around.

Herb Tarlik wrote:

Zoue wrote:

MistaVega23 wrote:

UnlikeUday wrote:Alonso feels that he has a chance for a seat with every competitive team except Red Bull. I'm assuming he's ok (or the teams such as Mercedes or Ferrari) to join. Am sure he only expects to join Mercedes or Ferrari (maybe Renault) as he wants to win & fight for the titles.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36554.html

I don't want to see Alonso in a McHonda next year. It's a waste of a talent that doesn't have many years left.

Granted, a lot of people put the blame firmly at Alonso's door (me included) for his career decisions but how good would it be for the sport (and Liberty for that matter - after all they want bums on seats) if we had a proper title fight between Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Ricciardo and Verstappen?

As good as it would be for the sport were McLaren to get back to the front, probably. Alonso fighting for the title in a McHonda would be F1's equivalent of rags to riches.

I read a report recently where Prost stated that Renault wouldn''t be winning anything for at least the next two years and that, as much as he would love to have Alonso in the team, . I can't see Alonso wanting to join another team in a development phase at this stage of his career. Which leaves Mercedes or Ferrari. And I just don't see either as a realistic possibility

Alonso winning at McLaren simply is NOT going to happen. It's not even remotely realistic to expect that. So he would be in a much better shape teaming up even with Renault. At least they are not as hapless as Honda.

moby wrote:Renault have more or less said they don't want him.
They put it as the cost of bringing him in would not be worth the returns, but there must be at least a small element of not wanting him slagging them off because he does not have the fastest car out there.

Exediron wrote:

moby wrote:Renault have more or less said they don't want him.
They put it as the cost of bringing him in would not be worth the returns, but there must be at least a small element of not wanting him slagging them off because he does not have the fastest car out there.

Who said that? I'd be interested in reading it.